RE: Better reasons to quit Christianity
August 22, 2012 at 5:15 pm
(This post was last modified: August 22, 2012 at 6:10 pm by spockrates.)
(August 22, 2012 at 5:06 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:(August 22, 2012 at 4:26 pm)spockrates Wrote: But who is to say the future to God (if he exists) is not dynamic, rather than static? Since we've never been to the future, how do we know what it is like? It's entirely possible that God, watching heaven in the future, would see me appear in heaven, then disappear, then reappear again, as I in the present make choices that affect my final future outcome. As time progresses in the present, the outcome in the future might constantly change. I might, like a light bulb, flicker on and then off and then on again and off again and finally stay on (or off) when I breath my last breath in the present. Those who no longer disappear from the future in heaven might be those who are no longer living in the present, and so have no chance to change their future. In this case, God's precognition of the future (or omniscience, or all-knowingness, or whatever you want to call it) would always be contingent on what you, or I, or anyone chooses to do in the present. Rather than something set in stone, the future would be alive, and moving and constantly evolving before God's eyes.
Sure, give up precognition (non-contingent knowledge of the future) and the paradox is resolved.
Who is to say the future is one, but not many? Who is to say that omniscience is not the ability to see only one outcome, but countless billions of possible outcomes, and to act in the present according to all the possible outcomes foreseen? Isn't this what someone does when he plays chess, but on a much smaller scale? Rather than avoiding the argument, I think I'm addressing it, though in a way you did not expect. Use your imagination, Mister! Have a little fun with the wonder of what it must be like to be all-knowing and to know all. It cannot possibly be as dull and unremarkable as even the most creative person can imagine. Can it?
(August 22, 2012 at 5:13 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Isn't it true for you? These are habits of attitude and thought, largely based on our experiences and previous choices combined with our predispositions. Do you wake up in the morning and go over whether you want to delight in evil today? It's called character.
They're not my examples of how to love.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...on=NIV1984
But yes, I suppose it highly likely that my character is no better than your own.
(August 22, 2012 at 4:45 pm)Homo Sapiens Wrote:(August 22, 2012 at 4:26 pm)spockrates Wrote:
But who is to say the future to God (if he exists) is not dynamic, rather than static? Since we've never been to the future, how do we know what it is like? It's entirely possible that God, watching heaven in the future, would see me appear in heaven, then disappear, then reappear again, as I in the present make choices that affect my final future outcome. As time progresses in the present, the outcome in the future might constantly change. I might, like a light bulb, flicker on and then off and then on again and off again and finally stay on (or off) when I breath my last breath in the present. Those who no longer disappear from the future in heaven might be those who are no longer living in the present, and so have no chance to change their future. In this case, God's precognition of the future (or omniscience, or all-knowingness, or whatever you want to call it) would always be contingent on what you, or I, or anyone chooses to do in the present. Rather than something set in stone, the future would be alive, and moving and constantly evolving before God's eyes.
i will disprove your stupid theory: When our bodies die,afterlife isnt possible,posthumously mental life REQUIRES to restart the biological and physical life. If we would like to live again we would need our bodies.
So when we die our bodies rot,we dont fly to another magical place. It isnt possible.
Also when you were born,you were an atheist,until your parents started to fill your immature head with religious lies.
Hi, HS. Actually, my parents were both agnostic and did not try to teach me anything about the God they did not know. I rebelled by becoming a Christian!
I agree life with a body would be far superior to life without one, if such is possible. (Which is one reason why I hope the Bible is correct when it speaks of a future resurrection of the bodies of those who will live forever in them.) But please tell me how you know it is impossible for the mind to exist apart from the brain. I guess what I'm asking is this: What is the mind?
"If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains (no matter how improbable) must be the truth."
--Spock
--Spock