RE: Better reasons to quit Christianity
August 30, 2012 at 8:31 am
(This post was last modified: August 30, 2012 at 8:37 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(August 30, 2012 at 7:03 am)spockrates Wrote: I resemble that remark!Nothing to do with whether or not a god exists Spock. Think that this has been repeatedly stated. The whole precog, predestined, free will bit assumes that god exists and the narrative is accurate. That god may not be a precog is only offered as a way to salvage it's character in the face of sin and consequence (though we create other equally disturbing problems in proposing this). What you are doing here, is attempting to create something other than omniscience (but retaining the word omniscience because for some reason, it's important to you/the narrative) and then arguing for that. There's a term for this sort of argument. When you're done arguing for that, and when you have applied the tiniest amount of rigor and referred to this attribute by whatever term likely already exists for it, I'm going to ask you what kind of an asshole constructs such a high stakes gamble with the cosmos not having any clue as to how it will all turn out.
But as I told Mister, I have asked why God doesn't exist. I was told that if an omniscient God exists, then and he knows all. If he knows all, then I'm not free.
Quote:So we've been considering this. After our investigation, I'm now thinking that if God exists, the fact that he is not experienced is good evidence he does not know all. Anyone who says knowing all is what omniscience is must be mistaken, I think.
No, Spock, anyone who says that omniscience means "knowing all" is not mistaken, they are referring to the long established definition of the word. The folks who assigned this attribute to their fairy made a poor choice in doing so (but, to be fair, the whole sin and consequence bit was tacked on later by folks who really don't seem to have given two shits about the consistency of the narrative).
Quote:Cato. What do you think now that I've taken a position? If omniscience is total, rather than inherent, then the Christian God is not omniscient in that sense of the word.
Again, the qualifier "inherent" has no ability to alter the attribute "omniscient". There is only one "sense of the word" omniscient. It is very particular, very descriptive. Look, just drop it, call the damned god "very smart" and be done with it.
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