RE: Where did the Jesus myth come from?
September 4, 2012 at 3:45 pm
(This post was last modified: September 4, 2012 at 3:54 pm by Lion IRC.)
(September 4, 2012 at 4:34 am)FallentoReason Wrote:(September 4, 2012 at 3:39 am)Lion IRC Wrote: Is this a later...new wine into old wineskins, addition to the Gospel?
As Jesus walked beside the Sea of Galilee, he saw Simon and his brother Andrew casting a net into the lake, for they were fishermen. “Come, follow me,” Jesus said, “and I will make you fishers of men.” At once they left their nets and followed him.
Mark 1:16-18 (NIV)
Fishers of men?
What men? Jews? Gentiles? Samaritans? Roman tax collectors?
To answer that, we need to understand where 'Mark' copied from to construct this bit of Jesus' life.
Jeremiah 16:16
Behold, I am sending for many fishers, declares the LORD, and they shall catch them. And afterward I will send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain and every hill, and out of the clefts of the rocks.
Only one of two places in the OT where this metaphor is used.
Isnt it great that "we" already understood that link between the OT prophecy and Jesus.
Thanks for helping to amplify my point.
(September 4, 2012 at 4:43 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote:(September 4, 2012 at 3:39 am)Lion IRC Wrote: ...
No. Whats clear is that someone has a wacky theory that Jesus;
* Never in His entire ministry EVER did or said anything which was controversial to Jewish kosher and ritual cleanliness laws.
* Neglected to share His concerns about misguided legalistic Judaism.
* Never intended All Nations to hear the Good News
* And that only late in the piece after He had been Resurrected, did He realise that the Gospel of salvation (which comes from the Jews) might need to be shared OUTSIDE OF JERUSALEM.
Oh, I misread this part. I see what you're trying to say. I don't know why the first two points of that list were brought up. We're not talking about that. We're talking about preaching to gentiles. On the last two points...I don't think Jesus ever said to preach to gentiles.
Quote:Is this a later...new wine into old wineskins, addition to the Gospel?
As Jesus walked beside the Sea of Galilee, he saw Simon and his brother Andrew casting a net into the lake, for they were fishermen. “Come, follow me,” Jesus said, “and I will make you fishers of men.” At once they left their nets and followed him.
Mark 1:16-18 (NIV)
Fishers of men?
What men? Jews? Gentiles? Samaritans? Roman tax collectors?
More circular reasoning. You're quoting Jesus to prove that Jesus really said that!
I'm not quoting Jesus to prove Jesus said it.
Answer the question.
Is this a later...new wine into old wineskins, addition to the Gospel?
Your claim seems to be that the notion of preaching to all nations was controversial to Peter - the fisherman.