(September 29, 2012 at 9:42 pm)Waratah Wrote:It has very much become a national goal: do you really think that Theodor Herzl, the founder of zionism, was the best jew around?(September 29, 2012 at 11:22 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: .....<Snipped>How can you say religion has very little to do with it when "the jews will stop at nothing to re-claim their promised lands". I thought the promised lands story was part of their religion.
And that is what we have in Palestine right now. The arabs will not rest until they have driven out the jews out of Jerusalem, while the jews will stop at nothing to re-claim their promised lands.
As I said, only war can settle things, and peace is impossible.
To the OP. It certainly does not matter if both sides were secular to the core-jews are an ethnic group of their own right, and their ethnic consciousness is in deep relation with their religious identity, while arabs, even though having different religious groups amongst themselves, are also quite nationalistic, and no one would like to see invaders in a place where they constitute a majority, yes?
Religion has very little to do with it.
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He even opposed the "chosen people" type of superiority claims, even though he had in his mind the boundaries of the Torah. This is due to the fact that there is no other source that describes the Jewish homelands better in detail.
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