RE: Hare Krishna
October 7, 2012 at 5:21 am
(This post was last modified: October 7, 2012 at 5:22 am by Akincana Krishna dasa.)
(October 7, 2012 at 4:45 am)Kayenneh Wrote: Finally, you are well within your rights to be religious and you may worship any god you see fit. But why Krishna and not Allah, Zeus, Ilmatar or Loki?I realize you said a lot, but the last line is jumping out first.
I want to preface this post by saying that I'm not proving something to anyone. We're just making conversation. You're hearing a little more about my theory. Because you're asking.
As far as I understand Allah, He is the supreme lord, the primeval cause of all causes, the supreme, cosmic consciousness pervading all of reality. God with a capital "G." In that case, it's the same entity, the same fundamental truth, however you name it. Like in German, the sun is called "sonne", in Dutch "zon", in Spanish "sol." Same thing, different names in different languages and cultures. So Allah and Krishna are the same supreme person. The supreme God of other monotheistic traditions are, again, the same God. There can't be more than one of those. I realize that there are Muslims and Christians that won't be happy to agree that our God is the same, but I'm totally fine with that. I say "He who loves God has the best religion."
The Bhagavad Gita says that God reveals Himself from time to time in this world, in different ways, according to people's abilities to appreciate spiritual life. Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, Judaism (and maybe others) are all revelations meant for a particular time and place. People think those ideas are in conflict, but I don't think so. While people argue over externals, there is a tremendous amount that is really the same at the heart of those traditions.
Personalities like Zeus, Ilmatar or Loki are godly beings, heavenly beings, maybe powerful beings. But no one has ever claimed they're God - at least none of their wikipedia entries say that. Someone can worship those beings, and they may derive some benefit from such worship. But the highest benefit will always be in worshiping the supreme God.
A side note - Zeus, king of heaven, seems like he might be the same as Indra, who shows up in Vedic scripture. They seem to have a lot in common. I'm sure other Greek gods are similar to other demigods mentioned in Vedic culture.
There's more to say, but I'll just let you disagree with this and then maybe keep going later.
(October 7, 2012 at 4:57 am)apophenia Wrote: (For what it's worth, I've achieved samadhi several times, and I'm still far from convinced that it's not all just Makyo. Do you believe that you can convince me otherwise?)
No, I won't convince you of anything.
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare