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A pantheistic argument.
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RE: A pantheistic argument.
(October 29, 2012 at 5:34 pm)DoubtVsFaith Wrote: 1. Let's assume that there is one god and it is whatever is the most influential force in the universe.

2. The universe as a whole has more influence than anything else because without it nothing else can exist, because everything is part of it. It is so influential that it necessitates existence itself by definition, assuming that the universe is everything.

3. Therefore the universe itself as a whole is god.

Thoughts?
So I guess my final thoughts on the matter would be that you are incapable of providing any justification for the assumption at the start (specifically that you have assumed god, and that influence is the qualifier), and you aren't willing to stick to your conclusion (or even admit that you said it). Also, since you don't believe this (as per the response above), I suppose you aren't a pantheist either. If the only reason that you proposed this was to show how meaningless the terms atheism and theism are then you failed there as well, being incapable of addressing the very root of either word. "If words didn't mean what they meant then....." waffles.
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A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 29, 2012 at 5:34 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Rayaan - October 29, 2012 at 5:54 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 29, 2012 at 5:58 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 29, 2012 at 6:06 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Rhizomorph13 - October 29, 2012 at 5:58 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 29, 2012 at 5:59 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 29, 2012 at 6:01 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 29, 2012 at 6:12 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by IATIA - October 30, 2012 at 8:43 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2012 at 7:27 am
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 29, 2012 at 6:07 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 29, 2012 at 6:14 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 29, 2012 at 6:14 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 29, 2012 at 6:17 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 29, 2012 at 6:20 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 29, 2012 at 6:53 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2012 at 11:32 am
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by catfish - October 29, 2012 at 6:56 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 29, 2012 at 7:00 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by catfish - October 29, 2012 at 7:12 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 29, 2012 at 7:13 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 30, 2012 at 11:47 am
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2012 at 1:04 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Darkstar - October 30, 2012 at 1:10 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by genkaus - October 30, 2012 at 1:13 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Darkstar - October 30, 2012 at 1:15 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2012 at 1:25 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Darkstar - October 30, 2012 at 1:30 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2012 at 2:29 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Rhizomorph13 - October 30, 2012 at 11:56 am
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Simon Moon - October 30, 2012 at 12:13 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 30, 2012 at 12:56 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Anomalocaris - October 30, 2012 at 1:18 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 30, 2012 at 1:21 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2012 at 3:54 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Anomalocaris - October 30, 2012 at 2:24 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 30, 2012 at 2:55 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2012 at 4:15 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by DeistPaladin - October 30, 2012 at 3:39 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by thesummerqueen - October 30, 2012 at 3:51 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Brian37 - October 30, 2012 at 4:11 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Brian37 - October 30, 2012 at 4:16 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2012 at 4:25 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Brian37 - October 30, 2012 at 4:38 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2012 at 4:52 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 30, 2012 at 5:01 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2012 at 6:22 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Brian37 - October 30, 2012 at 7:17 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2012 at 6:55 am
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Brian37 - October 30, 2012 at 5:05 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 30, 2012 at 5:13 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Brian37 - October 30, 2012 at 5:22 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 30, 2012 at 8:35 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 30, 2012 at 8:46 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Brian37 - October 30, 2012 at 8:57 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by IATIA - October 30, 2012 at 8:58 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Angrboda - October 31, 2012 at 7:18 am
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 31, 2012 at 8:55 am
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2012 at 10:25 am
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 31, 2012 at 11:25 am
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2012 at 12:18 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 31, 2012 at 12:42 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2012 at 3:49 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 31, 2012 at 6:14 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - November 1, 2012 at 6:20 am
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Kirbmarc - November 1, 2012 at 7:30 am
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - November 1, 2012 at 11:45 am
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - November 1, 2012 at 10:27 am
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Kirbmarc - November 1, 2012 at 12:52 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - November 1, 2012 at 12:55 pm



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