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Experiencing 'proof'
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RE: Experiencing 'proof'
(November 15, 2012 at 12:50 pm)Drich Wrote: What I am providing is a way to get proof for those who want 'proof.' I am showing you a way for God to move mountains in your life to give you the 'proof' He promised. If you don't want it, or if your one of those who can't worship a God that does not accept your morality/you for who you are then know I am not speaking to you. Just know (for God) Your 'proof' arguement is over.

And when your method horribly fails...?
http://atheism.about.com/od/atheismmyths...indGod.htm
Quote:Did they mean it? As much as any other Christian. People commit the fallacy of Special Pleading if they try to claim that an atheist couldn't have "really" meant it if they aren't a Christian now. They often attended Bible studies, both as a child and/or as an adult. They often had discussions long into the night with a Vicar, Pastor, or Elder. They prayed, and were prayed for. They attended revivalist meetings and sang their hearts out. They studied and asked for signs. They worked very hard trying to find God.

In the end, though, neither God nor religion "worked." Doubts appeared and questions grew more intense and more difficult. Satisfactory answers did not appear, either from religious leaders or from God. Either He didn't want to help, or He wasn't there — in fact, this lack of contact and persistence of nonbelief among people is itself a very good reason to doubt the existence of many alleged gods.

Some theists will then go on to assert: You weren't really trying in your heart.

But how do they know? I know that I was, as hard as I could. They don't think that I was just deliberately wasting my time, do they? This second claim is more arrogant than the first one above because no one can so confidently claim to know the "heart" of another person when they have never met or did not know each other during the time in question, much less today.
Do you know what seperates those who have found god from those who haven't? Two things: Level of credulity (finders > non-finders), whether or not they had a god dream or similar experience (at least partly up to chance).

One more thing I would like to ask: If you had met your younger self searching for god to spit in his eye, and he did not find god, but you did when you were his age (with a different method) would you defend his method as legitimate?
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Messages In This Thread
Experiencing 'proof' - by Drich - November 14, 2012 at 2:37 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Mister Agenda - November 14, 2012 at 2:42 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Something completely different - November 14, 2012 at 2:46 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Darkstar - November 14, 2012 at 2:46 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by festive1 - November 14, 2012 at 2:48 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Shell B - November 14, 2012 at 2:57 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Gambit - November 14, 2012 at 3:02 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Anomalocaris - November 14, 2012 at 3:13 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Faith No More - November 14, 2012 at 3:24 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Minimalist - November 14, 2012 at 3:28 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Cyberman - November 14, 2012 at 3:34 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Anomalocaris - November 14, 2012 at 3:42 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Something completely different - November 14, 2012 at 3:37 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Cato - November 14, 2012 at 3:38 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Simon Moon - November 14, 2012 at 4:07 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Welsh cake - November 14, 2012 at 6:13 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by CapnAwesome - November 14, 2012 at 6:37 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Angrboda - November 14, 2012 at 7:08 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Cinjin - November 14, 2012 at 8:03 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Strongbad - November 14, 2012 at 9:19 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Cinjin - November 14, 2012 at 9:29 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Gambit - November 14, 2012 at 9:38 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Darkstar - November 14, 2012 at 9:44 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 14, 2012 at 9:54 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Something completely different - November 14, 2012 at 9:59 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Darkstar - November 14, 2012 at 10:01 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Cato - November 14, 2012 at 11:01 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Simon Moon - November 15, 2012 at 12:21 am
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Cyberman - November 14, 2012 at 10:05 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by The Grand Nudger - November 14, 2012 at 10:09 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Cyberman - November 14, 2012 at 10:15 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Something completely different - November 14, 2012 at 10:21 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Darkstar - November 14, 2012 at 10:27 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Something completely different - November 14, 2012 at 10:31 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Darkstar - November 14, 2012 at 10:34 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Minimalist - November 14, 2012 at 10:43 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Cyberman - November 14, 2012 at 10:46 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Minimalist - November 14, 2012 at 11:33 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Darkstar - November 15, 2012 at 11:20 am
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Drich - November 15, 2012 at 12:13 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Darkstar - November 15, 2012 at 12:38 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Drich - November 15, 2012 at 12:42 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Something completely different - November 15, 2012 at 12:45 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Darkstar - November 15, 2012 at 12:47 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Drich - November 15, 2012 at 1:01 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Darkstar - November 15, 2012 at 1:06 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by pocaracas - November 15, 2012 at 12:39 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Drich - November 15, 2012 at 12:50 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Darkstar - November 15, 2012 at 12:55 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by pocaracas - November 15, 2012 at 1:09 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2012 at 12:17 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Angrboda - November 15, 2012 at 12:39 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2012 at 1:01 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2012 at 1:06 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Drich - November 15, 2012 at 1:23 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Darkstar - November 15, 2012 at 1:30 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Drich - November 15, 2012 at 3:56 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2012 at 1:21 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by pocaracas - November 15, 2012 at 3:04 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Kirbmarc - November 15, 2012 at 1:26 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2012 at 1:28 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2012 at 1:35 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Darkstar - November 15, 2012 at 1:46 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Gambit - November 15, 2012 at 2:27 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2012 at 4:03 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by pocaracas - November 15, 2012 at 4:14 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2012 at 4:35 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by pocaracas - November 15, 2012 at 5:53 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Welsh cake - November 15, 2012 at 4:54 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Drich - November 16, 2012 at 12:47 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Gilgamesh - November 16, 2012 at 2:24 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2012 at 5:14 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Cinjin - November 15, 2012 at 5:49 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by mr.atheist - November 15, 2012 at 6:12 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Undeceived - November 15, 2012 at 6:53 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Something completely different - November 15, 2012 at 7:07 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Undeceived - November 15, 2012 at 7:56 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Kousbroek - November 15, 2012 at 8:05 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Simon Moon - November 15, 2012 at 8:23 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Strongbad - November 15, 2012 at 8:46 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Cinjin - November 15, 2012 at 7:48 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by mr.atheist - November 16, 2012 at 10:42 am
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2012 at 7:28 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Kirbmarc - November 15, 2012 at 7:59 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2012 at 7:59 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Cyberman - November 15, 2012 at 8:13 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2012 at 8:15 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2012 at 11:35 am
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Angrboda - November 16, 2012 at 12:51 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Drich - November 16, 2012 at 1:00 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Angrboda - November 16, 2012 at 3:13 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2012 at 12:54 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Minimalist - November 16, 2012 at 1:00 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Cyberman - November 16, 2012 at 1:15 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Drich - November 16, 2012 at 1:30 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Gambit - November 16, 2012 at 1:57 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Cinjin - November 16, 2012 at 2:43 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by downbeatplumb - November 16, 2012 at 1:32 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Cyberman - November 16, 2012 at 1:32 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Anomalocaris - November 16, 2012 at 2:41 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Welsh cake - November 16, 2012 at 3:08 pm
RE: Experiencing 'proof' - by Anomalocaris - November 16, 2012 at 3:38 pm

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