RE: Non-religious evidence for existence of God
March 27, 2013 at 8:42 am
(This post was last modified: March 27, 2013 at 8:43 am by ciko83.)
(March 27, 2013 at 8:14 am)paulpablo Wrote: Have you heard of evolution? And the court case in America in which all the evidence for irreducible complexity was dismissed?
Even so why would god make a creature what is capable of crushing another smaller creature to death? Why give cats the brain processes which make them enjoy torturing other animals for hours? For every animal that's "created" with camouflage or mimicry or venom this makes another animal will go without a meal, or die from poison. Or what about parasites and worms that blind people in Africa small pox HIV and so on?
Quote:Like intelligent design, the concept it seeks to support, irreducible complexity has failed to gain any notable acceptance within the scientific community. One science writer called it a "full-blown intellectual surrender strategy."
"As expert testimony revealed, the qualification on what is meant by "irreducible complexity" renders it meaningless as a criticism of evolution. . In fact, the theory of evolution proffers adaptation as a well-recognized, well-documented explanation for how systems with multiple parts could have evolved through natural means."
But if you do have evidence for irreducible complexity and why evolution is wrong then it's a shame you couldn't attend the court case or present your findings, you should try and get in touch with biologists and nature experts and make sure you present them with your findings you're pretty much wasting your time on here.
And as for hamzas argument about who created the creator he just destroys his own argument and does it in a funny way to make people laugh, which is a common theme with him.
He says infinite regression is illogical, which is exactly the point.
If you say we are here, so logically something created us, you can't just then stop using that exact same logic all of a sudden that says things are here because they were created, you have to then say who created that creator if that's the logic you're using.
Quote:my question to them are, who had rotating propellers before bacteria and spermcells?
My question is what life forms were there before bacterium?
working engine, left, not work engine, used by virus
so atheist claim that natural engine can be reducible. but you are comparing apple and bananas, taht is not the point.
who had rotating propellers before bacteria and spermcells?
you cant say since viruses have not rotating propellers that is why it is reducible complex beacuse it was meant to be that it should not rotate and that it had another purpose. these atheistic evolutionst claim does not disprove inteligent design in flagellum.
it is like knife, eighter it benefit or harm
you can cut vegetables in kitchen(rotating propellers) -->benefit
you can kill people with it when you defend your life(not rotating, in virus)--->benefit in harm, just like virus.
it is not good for the victim but is good for you and the virus. do you understand what i mean.
you cant say, knife can have another function, that is it why it is reducible.
Quote:Even so why would god make a creature what is capable of crushing another smaller creature to death?
what would happen in the world if there was no death and we grown in numbers every day, life would be impossible, a living hell on earth.
Quote:Why give cats the brain processes which make them enjoy torturing other animals for hours?
what????
Quote: For every animal that's "created" with camouflage or mimicry or venom this makes another animal will go without a meal, or die from poison.
you dont understand the wisdom behind it.
some animals can eat it beacuse their cooumflage cant help them, while other animals can recognize them and dont eat them, so if all would eat them there would not be enough food for the first gruop who eat them.
Quote:Or what about parasites and worms that blind people in Africa small pox HIV and so on?
what about it???
(March 27, 2013 at 8:24 am)Tonus Wrote:(March 27, 2013 at 7:23 am)ciko83 Wrote: prove me wrong if you can.I get the feeling that proving you wrong isn't the issue.
try if you can