(March 28, 2013 at 2:20 am)Godschild Wrote: I did not ask if you owned a Bible, what I say is this, God pronounces judgement against people because it goes against who He is and then carries out that judgement as He sees fit, I accept all of scripture. Now have you read and studied the Bible?
Esquilax Wrote:I have read the bible, and I understand it. The problem here is this implication that if I disagree with you about things within the bible, then it's just that I haven't studied it at the correct level. It's not that I have a legitimate point, but that I just don't get it.
But it's possible to understand the content of the bible yet still not buy it. I get the bible, but I'm not obligated to love everything in it. This assertion you keep making about me is just a dodge, a way for you to cast aspersions on me while at the same time avoiding actually discussing the issues.
Thank you for answering, many want. I would disagree with you on understanding the scriptures. I know there is a certain amount that anyone can understand, and some as yourself will see more, however there is the spiritual that the Holy Spirit reveals to believers that unbelievers do not have revealed to them. Every time I read the scriptures I ask for God's discernment, a deeper understanding of His word.
GC Wrote:I would think reading a book about not believing would be boring, how much can one say about non belief. It's actually not hard to figure non belief means non belief no matter what the subject of belief might be. I'm not trying to be sarcastic just saying.
Esquilax Wrote:Actually, many of the atheist books I've read go into great detail as to the inaccuracies, inconsistencies and immoralities in the bible that led to the author becoming an atheist, or that support a secular position. What you're saying is you have a high standard for anyone with the audacity to criticize your religion, but you just won't apply that standard to yourself when it might shake your belief.
How interesting.
I spend my time reading what I know is the truth, honestly a book on atheism or other secular works denying God would not change my mind, I do not stay away from them because they scare me, I read what is relevant for my life. About the only thing I read outside of Christianity are books on woodworking. The reason books against my beliefs do not scare me is this, I've already approached those questions in my life and answered them for myself. If I was afraid of someone else's beliefs that are contrary to mine do you think I would be here, many in my church were scared for me and others say they would not have the confidence to enter in such discussions. Just to let you know I did not come here to save anyone, that's God's work, I came here to strengthen my beliefs through the challenges on an atheist site. I have, praise God!
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.