(March 31, 2013 at 1:25 pm)ThomM Wrote:(March 27, 2013 at 11:07 am)Drich Wrote: Christopher Hitchens once said, “The bible makes magnificent claims, we should require magnificent proof.”Ah, no. God provides proof for all who simply Ask, Seek and Knock as out lined in Luke 11. If C.Hitch, you or anyone else did not get the proof Moses or Paul got it is because none of you A/S/K as described in luke 11.
Now, of course, Christians will counter that by saying, “God must leave plenty of room for faith”.
Fine - I will ask
Have YOUR god appear and PROVE in person its existence and power in a way that will make all Muslim clerics conclude that they are wrong - and have them lead their flocks to YOUR god.
And to date - the only answer anyone gets from theists like you is more reasons why your ALMIGHTY all powerful go cannot do something!!!!!
2 Peter 3
Quote:3 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, ‘Where is this “coming” he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.’ 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.
8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: with the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
When God reveals His face, it will be judgment day. No one can look upon His glory and live, unless they are first cleansed by Jesus. Your being cleansed requires the recognition that you need a savior. Without that recognition, you are a man who refuses to put on shades when facing the sun.