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Hell
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RE: Hell
(May 1, 2013 at 10:57 am)enrico Wrote:
(May 1, 2013 at 10:38 am)Soyouz Wrote: We've experienced death. The condition that you're in when the mind ceases to work (no electric activity to allow neurons to function together)
is the same condition as before you were born. How a consciousness is formed is the complicated part.

It gets even more complicated when adding something called God into it who must also have a consciousness as this being seems to have choices to make, is perfect but not perfect and lacks qualities theists are supposing he has even though evidence shows the exact opposite.

It is obvious that our minds are nurtured into belief because there is no default view on religion. People learn to believe, some are born more susceptible to different types of belief and that combined with certain upbringings creates people like Godschild.

I don't make assumptions about anything EVER, I only speculate likely events.
Not sure what you're on about in the rest of your post, seems ambiguous.

Hell isn't very likely for many reasons, people have different interpretations of hell and once again these have been learnt.

1) The consciousness does not need any electrical activity to work.
This has already been established by thousand of people who had NDE experiences.
2) I wish people who spread religious dogmas like Godschild wake up and grow up. Because of them many people think that spirituality and religions are the same rubbish thing when in effect spirituality is not based on dogmas or false truth.Angel


NDE's can be recreated through drugs and I would not agree with this being the same as death.
The condition you're in when you're lacking the components to form thoughts is the same condition prior to birth, it's as simple as that. What occurs as the components are about to be destroyed is different. All I can say is that we don't know enough yet to make any claims.

If NDE's have something to do with moving on to an afterlife or heaven, why would this be created by God in such an ambiguous way? Far from all people experience them (out of those who have been near death and in similar conditions) this shows that some people are more vulnerable to this "spiritual experience" as many describe it, than others.

Furthermore God knows who will experience this or not, he knows who doubts it so why create an experience that strengthens the belief in those that believe and create more scepticism in those that do not believe?

Does God have consciousness? Can he make choices? How can choices be made without past experiences? If God is all-knowing he knows every single event that will happen from the first second right until he decides the end of the universe, keep in mind that he should know this decision prior to the decision being made as well.

What's happening is that human features are being combined with a God who is supposedly perfect but cannot function perfectly with these features. If less assumptions were made about God then there are ways and possibilities that could make him work, but still not as there's always a claim being made which we cannot know until it has been observed.

Some things cannot be observed, we cannot observe ourselves when we are dead and it is therefore pointless to make a claim. There is a big chance however of death being the end of existence as we know that prior to the development of our consciousness there was no existence (that we could experience).

I also think that further problems will be achieved if we assume there is an afterlife as there would be little sense or purpose to it if we assume God is all-knowing. He knows who who will end up in heaven or hell. He should know this as he has created the recipe for every single component that exists.

I'd personally like to know what would be done in heaven or hell. In hell God would be punishing people because he set them up with traits and an environment which lead them into trouble in life, the only one responsible is the creator himself. The one responsible for anything happening is God if we take on the assumption that God has created everything.
In heaven, would we be receiving pain or pleasure without neurotransmitters as we no longer have our physical body (brain)?
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Messages In This Thread
Hell - by TromboneAtheist - April 28, 2013 at 4:04 pm
RE: Hell - by L.A.F. - April 28, 2013 at 4:07 pm
RE: Hell - by Kayenneh - April 28, 2013 at 4:07 pm
RE: Hell - by Tex - April 28, 2013 at 4:33 pm
RE: Hell - by Gearbreak - April 28, 2013 at 6:50 pm
RE: Hell - by Cinjin - April 28, 2013 at 7:30 pm
RE: Hell - by viocjit - April 28, 2013 at 7:32 pm
RE: Hell - by Cinjin - April 28, 2013 at 7:42 pm
RE: Hell - by purplepurpose - April 28, 2013 at 8:20 pm
RE: Hell - by Tonus - April 28, 2013 at 8:39 pm
RE: Hell - by Godschild - April 28, 2013 at 11:44 pm
RE: Hell - by Cinjin - April 29, 2013 at 1:05 am
RE: Hell - by wwjs - April 29, 2013 at 12:01 am
RE: Hell - by Godschild - April 29, 2013 at 12:54 am
RE: Hell - by wwjs - April 29, 2013 at 1:10 am
RE: Hell - by Godschild - April 29, 2013 at 1:26 am
RE: Hell - by wwjs - April 29, 2013 at 1:36 am
RE: Hell - by Godschild - April 29, 2013 at 1:49 am
RE: Hell - by Wonderland - April 30, 2013 at 7:44 pm
RE: Hell - by Godschild - April 30, 2013 at 10:52 pm
RE: Hell - by wwjs - April 29, 2013 at 2:00 am
RE: Hell - by Godschild - April 29, 2013 at 2:05 am
RE: Hell - by wwjs - April 29, 2013 at 2:11 am
RE: Hell - by Godschild - April 29, 2013 at 2:21 am
RE: Hell - by catfish - April 29, 2013 at 2:23 am
RE: Hell - by wwjs - April 29, 2013 at 2:33 am
RE: Hell - by Godschild - April 29, 2013 at 2:43 am
RE: Hell - by Cinjin - April 30, 2013 at 10:56 pm
RE: Hell - by catfish - April 30, 2013 at 10:59 pm
RE: Hell - by Cinjin - May 1, 2013 at 9:19 pm
RE: Hell - by goodnews - April 29, 2013 at 3:51 am
RE: Hell - by Little Rik - April 29, 2013 at 4:57 am
RE: Hell - by Godschild - April 29, 2013 at 5:21 pm
RE: Hell - by Little Rik - April 30, 2013 at 5:54 am
RE: Hell - by goodnews - April 30, 2013 at 2:53 am
RE: Hell - by Minimalist - April 30, 2013 at 11:07 pm
RE: Hell - by Ryantology - April 30, 2013 at 11:38 pm
RE: Hell - by Godschild - May 1, 2013 at 3:01 am
RE: Hell - by Simon Moon - May 1, 2013 at 11:49 am
RE: Hell - by Godschild - May 1, 2013 at 11:13 pm
RE: Hell - by Mononoke - May 1, 2013 at 7:00 am
RE: Hell - by Little Rik - May 1, 2013 at 8:44 am
RE: Hell - by Soyouz - May 1, 2013 at 10:38 am
RE: Hell - by Little Rik - May 1, 2013 at 10:57 am
RE: Hell - by Soyouz - May 1, 2013 at 12:06 pm
RE: Hell - by Little Rik - May 2, 2013 at 4:33 am
RE: Hell - by catfish - May 1, 2013 at 9:44 pm
RE: Hell - by Cinjin - May 1, 2013 at 9:49 pm

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