Abortions

[Eilonnwy]

Saerules, the problem with your arguments, and this is the problem we had when we argued this issue before, is you look at as purely scientific or purely logical. You view the baby as a parasite, easily discarded. No better than an ovarian cyst I had surgery to remove over almost two years ago.

The problem is, I had no attachment to that cyst, but people do have attachment to unborn children because it represents a person, baring abortion or natural miscarriage that will be born and become that person's child. The matter is extremely emotional, and cold rationale does not dictate what a woman does completely.

So the father most certainly has the right to express his emotion about the matter. As stated previously, I don't think he can make the final determination, but I think if the father wants to talk to mother and try to work something out, then that should happen. I think whatever the woman decides should be shared with the man, for better or worse unless he's a rapist or expresses no interest.

You're bringing up extremes which don't have relevance to what we are talking about here. Yes, in Islam when woman are raped it's considered there fault. There's a lot of shit that women suffer over there, rape is only one aspect of many. There's more that needs to change for women there besides rape laws. I think you're moving the goal post when you start talking about a completely different lifes circumstance while Leo and I are referring to the average woman in the United States where our vote on the matter counts.

They are two different discussions entirely.