(June 3, 2013 at 7:37 am)The Germans are coming Wrote: You stated I was a biggot for calling other species infirior, I pointed out that this way every species eating another species was biggoted. And after that you accuse me of using a fallacy! when in fact it is your very own fallacy!!!!!I probably should try to understand what the problem is in a logical manner. I'll post what I think you're saying. Please correct me if I'm wrong:
Do you do that kind of stuff often! Using a nonsence argument and when being shown how nonsence it is accusing the one who refuted it of using the very nonsence argument!
Damn! I havent encountered such disgusting dishonesty in a very long time!!!!
1. I have made the "nonsense" argument that speciesism is a form of bigotry.
2. You have then tried to use the behaviour of other animals to suggest that they are bigots towards each other. You then infer that your speciesism is morally justifiable because other species do it, but ignore the serious fallacy involved in this inference: if we're using the behaviour of wild animals as an ethical reference point, we can justify throwing faeces at each other, raping and stealing.
3. I pointed out this fallacy.
4. You got mad because it was somehow meant to be a fallacy in the first place, used to somehow demonstrate that I was making the same fallacy in step 1.
Please correct any areas of that which I have misinterpreted, but I don't really see how being against speciesism can be construed as falsely applying wild animal standards to our own lives. I am actually advocating that we do the opposite and behave in a civilised manner. We already have animal cruelty laws which require us to do this, to a limited extent. I have argued (and I think you agreed) that the main limitation on how willing we are to apply ethics, is convenience. I would argue that doing what is convenient and doing what is ethical are two very different pathways (which if they intersect is a happy coincidence).