RE: Childhood indoctrination
June 4, 2013 at 8:58 pm
(This post was last modified: June 4, 2013 at 9:01 pm by Aractus.)
(June 4, 2013 at 8:42 am)Forbinator Wrote:The other fibers - polyester, and cotton don't pass rub tests! They aren't as durable as wool. So Ikea sells some inferior quality lounge? LOL! As if that's evidence. If it's cotton or synthetic then the fabric will wear out much faster than wool, it's as simple as that. As if Ikea is known for quality!(June 4, 2013 at 8:18 am)Aractus Wrote: OK, I know I said this ages ago, so let's try again now. Let's say that I accept that there is a valid ethical argument. Now let's consider the environmental argument. Many of the uses that wool has - for instance as a hard-wearing textile fabric (as used on chairs, lounges, etc) cannot be matched with cotton or synthetics. Said fabrics do not pass rub tests - I'm sure you're aware of this - they simply do not last as long as wool. Now your main two alternatives to this are vinyl and leather. I actually don't know the difference in durability between vinyl and leather, however what I do know is that leather folds and vinyl doesn't. In other words, vinyl is fucking uncompfortable! Now what I simply don't understand is that you know there is a huge advantage to wool - environmentally - and yet you oppose it only on the grounds of ethics, as if the environmental concerns are not important!Alternatives to wool include cotton, polyester, synthetic shearling, Tencel and Polartec Wind Pro. I have a jumper made of 100% acrylic which feels just like wool, and has lasted me for 10 years and counting. Now here you get a choice: do you want to claim that wool is superior because it lasts a long time, or because it degrades easily? You can't claim both as they are contradictions! Wool requires machinery to process, and requires more land clearance to grow, so I remain unconvinced that wool is environmentally preferable to acrylics unless you provide a valid source.
And look, a vegan couch: http://www.ikea.com/au/en/catalog/products/S89873843/
(June 4, 2013 at 8:42 am)Forbinator Wrote: I have a jumper made of 100% acrylic which feels just like wool, and has lasted me for 10 years and counting. Now here you get a choice: do you want to claim that wool is superior because it lasts a long time, or because it degrades easily?And I have about 4 or 5 jumpers made of 100% wool that feel just like wool! As for the claim - wool is recyclable, so it has every advantage over synthetics in terms of being environmentally friendly. It can be made durable for hard-wearing textiles (seat fabric, suits, etc), and yes it is degradable because it's a natural fiber.
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK
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"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke