RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
June 18, 2013 at 7:23 pm
(This post was last modified: June 18, 2013 at 7:26 pm by orogenicman.)
(June 18, 2013 at 5:16 pm)Godschild Wrote:(June 18, 2013 at 2:40 pm)orogenicman Wrote: There is a simple solution to this dilemma. Just admit that you believe that killing the women and children of your enemies is morally justified, and that taking those women not killed by such action as wives is also morally justified. If you do believe it, then you have given me evidence in support of my thesis that the Bible is a textbook for eliciting such atrocities. If you don't believe that that behavior is morally justified, then you must entertain the notion that such behavior rises to the level of murder and rape. Simply saying that it is god's will isn't going to do it. Jim Jones said the same thing, and nearly 1,000 people took their own lives as a result.
If Jim Jone's followers had read the Bible they would not have met such a fate.
The killing of my enemies is not morally justified, I have not the moral authority to do such a thing, I can not judge my enemy and actually Christ calls me to love my enemies. He also says to feed and cloth my enemy if I find them hungry and cloth them if I find them naked. I will say this one more time, see if it will get through your thick skull. You are trying to drag the OT into the NT and that want work. God was establishing His people to bring in the Christ in the future, He established them (much as the church today), since then Christ came and God set up His church through the Gentiles to carry on the mission of Christ. There is no more need for the same judgement on people today and just to remind you it was not murder nor rape.
Well, that's a load of crap because I've said nothing whatsoever about the new testament.
And yes it most certainly was murder and rape.
(June 18, 2013 at 6:16 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:(June 18, 2013 at 3:48 pm)Zarith Wrote: It applies to anybody -- Christian or otherwise -- who believes that right and wrong are defined by god's desires, as opposed to god's desires being defined by right and wrong.
Our difference is that you don't confront the Christian belief that God is good. This is the perspective of the biblical narrative.
Your version of god gets to play fast and loose with his nature. That's all good fun.
The only versions of god are those told by religionists. And all of them are deluding themselves. There is no god any more than there is a tooth fairy.
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-- Samuel "Mark Twain" Clemens
"I think that in the discussion of natural problems we ought to begin not with the scriptures, but with experiments, demonstrations, and observations".
- Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
"In short, Meyer has shown that his first disastrous book was not a fluke: he is capable of going into any field in which he has no training or research experience and botching it just as badly as he did molecular biology. As I've written before, if you are a complete amateur and don't understand a subject, don't demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect by writing a book about it and proving your ignorance to everyone else! "
- Dr. Donald Prothero