Childhood indoctrination

[KichigaiNeko]

KichigaiNeko Wrote:
You are in Germany? Do you understand the soil under your feet? The animals and humans that have died over the centuries to produce the soil that you currently have? What chemicals do your market gardeners use? They will at least have to use Bacillus thuringiensis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacillus_thuringiensis as a pesticide.

Okay, you got me here, I can't tell you what they use, only that it's not made from fossil oil or similar, limited resources. I'm not claiming we can eliminate our footprint on the plant, only that we can tread a little lighter.

The issue here is that some GMO/ Monsanto crops are using Bt spliced into a plants genome so that in effect it is listed as a pesticide by the US-FDA. The use of pertro-chemicals is what is in your "synthetics" (parkas, warm clothing undergarments, shirts, underwear, tops etc) so the bleating of "Oh we have synthetics so we don't need animals" is rather disingenuous whilst you bleat about "treading a little lighter on the planet. Your whole ethos is to keep fossil fuels going and thriving to the detriment of the very ethos you are supposedly striving to support very incongruous of you.

Bacillus thuringiensis is quite harmless when used as a topical pesticide and requires a set period of time (say 3 weeks) to degenerate in the environment. Which is why it is used by organic farmers. So far so hoopy. The issue is that with 9 billion people on the planet to feed companies liken to Monsanto are producing patented crops that are listed as pesticides so it sort of makes the whole "vegan/ organic" presumption rather stupid as your crops are rather deadly since the Bacillus thuringiensis is actually IN the plant and is not very friendly to humans in this format. In other words...go vegan and die because you food is full of bacterial toxins rather than petro-chemical ones.

The other issue is that we are currently utilising ALL available arable land for crops. This land is in dwindling supply as the population is increasing to the point where there will not BE arable land to grow food crops. Ergo...going "vegan" will certainly be the death knell of such a life style

Please refer to the videos I posted.

---

The fact that the majority of your organic crops are also genetically modified to suit Germany's climate is another issue.

Why is that an issue? While I'm not a fan of doing whatever just because science allows us to do it, I'm not denouncing the use of technology to optimize food production.

By NOT denouncing "technology to optimize food production" flies in the face of your "totally organic ethos" and makes you look rather stupid and ill informed as to just where and how your "organic produce" is grown and harvested.

Perhaps I am correct in assuming that you have no idea how your food is produced, from what stock species, in what media, utilising what fertilisers and wheter or not it is grown in soil or hydroponically? Further that you have never actually grown your own food?

---

Your utopian view whilst admirable is just plain naive, childish and in the realms of fantasy. There is no way you can feed your own let alone the planet from strictly organic practices.... the numbers are too high.

You will have to provide some facts, actual numbers rather than guesswork, to back that claim up, until then the question remains open. However I think that assuming that yes, we can feed everyone on organic and relatively local crops, is the better assumption for now, simply because environmentally everything else is just not sustainable (barring some miracle technologies which don't seem to be around the corner today).

You never watched the vids I posted then? Because they DO give some rather interesting numbers as to the inability to feed the planet just on veggies alone. Please do me the courtesy of watching them...I don't post shit just for the heck of it

---

[qutoe=Kichi]Even for little old Germany. The problem is transport and storage even for little old Germany alone. But what about the other countries? This is also a stumbling block you seem to blithely ignore. You have green houses? Really? How organic is that?[/quote]

I don't want to ignore the issue that other countries might have different issues, that's why I stated above that I'll confine my argument to central Europe for now, which is where I live and where these problems exist and where I believe a real solution is feasible if people chose to spend a little less on flat screen tellies and more on proper food.

And again you ignore my post! I AM addressing YOUR country! Your assumption of "focusing less on flat screen tellies and more on food" is just so infantile and solidifies your place as just a latte sipping twerp, a bounder, a hanger on with no thought of your own.

My point is that in Germany (as far as I am able to Google) "Green-House farming" is the norm (for both meat and vegetables) due to climate and the lack of arable land to feed 82+ million. You don't seem to have done any research into this whole "Food Crisis" issue and as such your bleating comes across even MORE disingenuous

---

You have heard of the Irish potato famine?

Yes, I assume your point is food security, and it's a valid concern, but there are similar problems with animal agriculture as well, there are diseases (mad cows disease being one of them) which could theoretically affect food security there as well, so in the present argument that is a zero-sum game.

Perhaps it is a "zero-sum game" but again I accuse you of not doing any research or even doing me the courtesy of viewing the vids I posted.

There is much that can be done and IS being done but you seem to want to join the "Band wagon" of bleating sheep sans any input from yourself. Have you grown your own food? Would you consider installing an Aquaponics system (given that you have the space for one) Is the best you can do is to purchase "organic vegetables" from a local grower and then shove the whole food crisis issue down the throats of those of us who are unable to go the "veggie" route?

Is THIS all you are good for?