If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?

[Esquilax]

@Esq revisited

So your response to my statement that neither of us can prove irrefutably is "you're shouting magic".

You're claiming knowledge beyond reason.

Say no more

Neither of us can prove the existence of a god irrefutably, however, the very question doesn't exist just as a function of the universe. My position, as always, is a neutral one; I don't know. You, however, have a claim; that there's a god, that he created everything... and that's it. That is just shouting magic at the tough questions, by definition. And your insistence that god is outside of testability means that you've accepted never knowing the hows, whys and whats, just out of hand. I am not so intellectually incurious.

Besides, we aren't on equal footing here. My position is "I dunno, let's try and find out," while yours is "it's god. There's a god. Creation is logical." Only one of us actually has a claim, and hence is professing knowledge that they can't prove.