If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?

[Mystical]

Missy C

Square 1 is good! If we can agree on that we can get somewhere

"The version of God you relate is anti God. It's self contradictory/defeats itself. I think you're perfectly justified in rejecting it."

This is not me saying you get God as I and the rest of the Christians here get God. Your version is a bad guy, and I'm saying that you're justified in hating your god.

Maybe you got that already :p

I've tried to explain how we understand God to be good.
1. That was how the Jews conceptualised God. They didn't write anything contradicting that.
2. Our intellectual construct, to be coherent, has to originate in a Moral/good/loving first cause. If it didn't you could disprove that concept very simply using logic.
3. There is absolutely zero evidence in the bible of God's fallibility. People construe killing to be always evil, by forcing limited knowledge onto God. Only by redefining the nature of God could that accusation stick. And as that fails to address the subject (God), we can dismiss it.

You don't need to agree or understand any of that though for it to be true for all of the Christians here. Just like I don't have to agree with Rayaan when he says that Allah is good. Rayaan doesn't satisfy my criticisms with his explanations, but I still cannot dispute that Rayaan says this is true for Islam.

What you or I understand matters diddly squat to the fact that this is what another person understands.

Okay fr0ds. I still dont get why to you god is good. We've only established (in your eyes) that I am justified in believing god is bad based on the god I know from the bible that is apparently the wrong interpretation. How the jews couldn't have written anything that didn't conceptualize god is good but ended up writing the whole old testament, confounds me. You confound me. But hey if you want to leave it at this, that's fine. God is good to you. Fine. I have no qualms whatsoever with you fr0d0, believe what you want. I just don't understand-- which is what I thought we were trying to rectify. Yes the unfathomable part I may have pulled out of my ass so to speak but that's in essence what is being said, I thought. I thought you said that god is good because you look at his actions as being good even though you will never know why just that you trust god and his actions and intentions are good. Thats what I got from our convo, anyways. Correct me if i'm wrong if you feel like it. Or don't, I'm not sure if we will ever come to an understanding because you are incorrect in your ascertainment of my Christian background. I'm understandably frustrated that I will never live up to being a real Christian in your eyes. Even though I was. Hell, even Ronedee is: Pagan prayers and all; Because of Christ and the acceptance of his atonement for sin. I'm pretty sure Christians even claimed the Mormons last election, too.