(July 11, 2013 at 12:20 am)Consilius Wrote: Again we get the traditional notion of hell. Hell is only punishment to those that avoid it, because hell is a place where God's presence cannot be felt. Those who willingly reject God spend eternity without him. Flames and worms are extraneous and there is no reason to believe they are there.
Your god is everything good, yes? Spending eternity apart from everything good would be torment, no? Sugarcoat it all you want. Your god unnecessarily created a place of eternal unpleasantness. That is love?
(July 11, 2013 at 12:20 am)Consilius Wrote: God has always had objectives. His prime objective is to draw people closer to him. We exist so we can be drawn closer to him. God is a force. A force needs a body to act upon. This not an urgent need, as this force can exist independent of any body, being eternal and self-sufficient. God selflessly made us so he could provide for us. He desires not to only sustain himself but to sustain others. Because God is the force of love.
You're just making vacuous assertions to try and explain your previous vacuous assertions. It's all platitudinous nonsense that only conveys sentiment and no substance. Unless you can provide something of meaning, I'd say this discussion has played itself out.