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Take the fight to them.
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RE: Take the fight to them.
Quote:Before I begin. I must insist that believers understand, what I am saying here is not a human rights issue. Every atheist here has to some degree believing family and friends and co workers. No atheist should be in the same utopia mindset to think "if only everyone were atheists". On a planet of 7 billion and in an imperfect species, there is no utopia and we should deal with reality the way it is, not the way we want it to be.
I see no utopia in a world that is fully atheist, neither a distopia. Atheism does not come with an ideology. Its basically tied to a single tenet. It has no economic nor philosophical worldview, it is a very individualistic way of thinking.

Quote:It is ALSO possible for the atheist to value the human struggle, such as Ann Frank, Martin Luther King Jr, and Malala, without believing in the gods they profess. Atheists in the west, for the most part are always on the side of minorities and have had a long history of supporting the rights of minorities.
Well, "human struggle"? I thought that these people were minority activists, meaning, they support their own. How this actually amounts to humanism, I yet have to figure out. Because the "human struggle" brings up an ideal in my mind that does not really see humans being divided by "minorities" or "majorities", in the humanist mind, these concepts should not exist. So how do you suggest that supporting(or some would say, "sucking up") minorities at every chance against the majority would aid the "human struggle"?
How does making the majority bow to the demands of minorities aid your cause as minority-loving atheists?
Quote:However, there is a fight going on, and politics and religion are dividing humanity, and all religions are used as weapons to claim moral superiority over others.
And the lack of religion is never used as a moral high ground.
Quote: And there are masses of humans suckered by clearly con artists out of their money over the stupid idea that a utopia is possible at all.
Well, I guess so.
Quote:Two of the biggest con artists are cowards and refuse to debate anyone anywhere, and it is up to those of reason to take the VERBAL ONLY, intellectual fight to them.
As con artists having a hard time with people that do not have confidence in them.
Quote:Here are the facebook pages of Joel Olsteen and Benny Hinn. I invite you to go there and put counter arguments on their pages. You most likely will get deleted, but the more of us that do this, the harder it will be for them to ignore debate.
Well, what exactly is there to debate? They seem to me like your ordinary American mass-evangelist cult. What exactly is it that you would want to debate with these people? The existence of God?
Quote:But not just on facebook. Any media or newspaper website where ANY believer of any religion makes a post, counter their arguments with facts. We wont make religion go away, but when it ignores facts and when it poisons minds and fleeces people out of money, only facts and reason can keep these people on a leash.
An internet crusade, as it seems. What is it to you, I really can't understand. These people are dumb enough to give their money to these ministries, and the ministers are happy to receive them.
Really, taking the fight to whom? Since you're not the target audience of those ministers, and you really lack a higher purpose than what that minister might have, may it be personal fame, money, or even a sincere belief that he's helping people in the name of God, I personally don't think that you can convince anyone with what you have to offer.
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Take the fight to them. - by Brian37 - October 14, 2013 at 11:06 am
RE: Take the fight to them. - by pineapplebunnybounce - October 14, 2013 at 11:16 am
RE: Take the fight to them. - by freedomfromforum - October 14, 2013 at 11:30 am
RE: Take the fight to them. - by Brian37 - October 14, 2013 at 11:39 am
RE: Take the fight to them. - by freedomfromforum - October 14, 2013 at 12:04 pm
RE: Take the fight to them. - by pineapplebunnybounce - October 14, 2013 at 11:48 am
RE: Take the fight to them. - by Brian37 - October 14, 2013 at 11:56 am
RE: Take the fight to them. - by pineapplebunnybounce - October 14, 2013 at 12:03 pm
RE: Take the fight to them. - by Brian37 - October 14, 2013 at 12:04 pm
RE: Take the fight to them. - by pineapplebunnybounce - October 14, 2013 at 12:08 pm
RE: Take the fight to them. - by kılıç_mehmet - October 14, 2013 at 12:10 pm
RE: Take the fight to them. - by pineapplebunnybounce - October 14, 2013 at 12:14 pm
RE: Take the fight to them. - by kılıç_mehmet - October 14, 2013 at 12:20 pm
RE: Take the fight to them. - by Zazzy - October 14, 2013 at 12:11 pm
RE: Take the fight to them. - by Brian37 - October 14, 2013 at 12:22 pm
RE: Take the fight to them. - by freedomfromforum - October 14, 2013 at 12:09 pm
RE: Take the fight to them. - by kılıç_mehmet - October 14, 2013 at 12:03 pm
RE: Take the fight to them. - by Zazzy - October 14, 2013 at 12:04 pm
RE: Take the fight to them. - by kılıç_mehmet - October 14, 2013 at 12:08 pm
RE: Take the fight to them. - by Captain Colostomy - October 14, 2013 at 12:14 pm
RE: Take the fight to them. - by freedomfromforum - October 14, 2013 at 12:32 pm
RE: Take the fight to them. - by Brian37 - October 14, 2013 at 12:40 pm
RE: Take the fight to them. - by kılıç_mehmet - October 14, 2013 at 12:45 pm
RE: Take the fight to them. - by Brian37 - October 14, 2013 at 1:09 pm
RE: Take the fight to them. - by kılıç_mehmet - October 14, 2013 at 12:38 pm
RE: Take the fight to them. - by freedomfromforum - October 14, 2013 at 1:21 pm
RE: Take the fight to them. - by kılıç_mehmet - October 14, 2013 at 6:46 pm
RE: Take the fight to them. - by Brian37 - October 14, 2013 at 8:18 pm
RE: Take the fight to them. - by kılıç_mehmet - October 14, 2013 at 8:35 pm
RE: Take the fight to them. - by Brian37 - October 14, 2013 at 9:01 pm
RE: Take the fight to them. - by pineapplebunnybounce - October 14, 2013 at 9:31 pm
RE: Take the fight to them. - by Brian37 - October 14, 2013 at 9:39 pm

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