Ethics

[genkaus]

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I've noticed that some people on here are saying that religion is bad. Well, no one likes being fooled, and if you're an atheist, you're kind of sure that religious people are just messing with you.

However you can't say that religion is bad, because the motive of religion is to be the peacekeeper, to do good, it is, in effect, humanity's earliest ethics, an ethics that, in all forms of religion, has a supernatural punishment if you don't follow their ethics.

No form of ethics is bad, ethics is a force for good, if there is bad, then that bad is the cause of people, who do not understand their own ideas.

It's true that not everybody understands ethics. However if you are going to be an atheist, you still have to follow ethics. You must. Because you are an atheist your mind is free to explore every possible source of ethics that there is, and I beg of you to understand, religion is one of them. Since you are an atheist, you are free to explore every religion's ethics. I also recommend the Ender Quartet by Orson Scott Card to learn about ethics. There's probably lots of other people who have written about ethics.

You must remember ethics. Remember that it is good for your survival to have good ethics.

As of yet on this website, I have seen no ethics, just the anger of being tricked, just denial of something, and that isn't anything at all. But if you create a solid set of ethics, you'll be something, and no longer be free. So you must just be open to any form of ethics.

I think that most of my ethics comes from me. I want my ethics to encompass the entire world, and I want everyone on earth to respect and love one another. Sounds like miss america? Unreasonable? Who cares, that's ethics, that's why sometimes you need faith (the common sense definition), and things change, so maybe one day that will happen, if people believe in universal ethics.

As of now, I see lots of pain. Which is why as many people as possible need to believe in ethics, to be the force that tries to stop this pain, and help other people.

I don't believe in god. Never have never will. But say I don't believe in ethics, and you've got a fight on your hands.

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Are you kidding me with this? Have you looked around the forum at all? Because if you had, you'd realize how pseudo-philosophical and meaningless your "arguments" are. Even a cursory search of the philosophy section should be enough to show that the topic of ethics and morality have been examined quite deeply on this very forum.

Let's look at a few choice comments:

"the motive of religion is to be the peacekeeper"

Yeah, right! That's why so many religions have clauses like "kill the infidels". The motive of religion is to impose its ethical system onto as many people as it can. If that means starting a few wars or killing a few thousands - it won't have a problem with that.

"No form of ethics is bad, ethics is a force for good,"

That's quintessential circular reasoning. What is regarded as morally good or bad is determined by a particular ethical system. No ethical system is going to regard itself as bad by its own standards. So, in order to judge any form of ethics as "good" or "bad", you need to have already presumed another set of ethics - or, atleast, the function it is supposed to serve. Judging by your earlier statement about peacekeeping. if that is the role of an ethical system, then many forms of ethics would be bad because they do not condone peace above everything else.

"It's true that not everybody understands ethics."

This seems especially true for you.

"You must remember ethics. Remember that it is good for your survival to have good ethics. "

This seems to indicate a whole different purpose for ethics. Rather than peacekeeping, they seem to be required for our survival. Well, in that case, most of the religious ethics are bad because they denounce your survival here in favor of your afterlife.

"As of yet on this website, I have seen no ethics,"

Really? Because on the first three pages of the Philosophy forum, I saw atleast six threads about morality. Try looking harder.

"I think that most of my ethics comes from me. I want my ethics to encompass the entire world, and I want everyone on earth to respect and love one another. Sounds like miss america? Unreasonable? Who cares, that's ethics, that's why sometimes you need faith (the common sense definition), and things change, so maybe one day that will happen, if people believe in universal ethics. "

Who cares? If you want your ethics to encompass the whole world, which includes me, then I most certainly do care. Which is why I'm not going to take your so-called "universal ethics" on faith - especially if they sound this unreasonable.

"But say I don't believe in ethics, and you've got a fight on your hands. "


What the hell does "believing in ethics" even mean? I certainly don't believe in your ethics. If that means a fight - bring it on.

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It's good to be against that, that's good ethics. But I'm sorry, you are wrong, religion doesn't do that, people do that, if they use religion as their tool, it is not religion's fault, because religion was created to keep good ethics, so they were using it wrongly.

Actually, since the religion specifically dictates that, it is religion's fault.