RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
October 21, 2013 at 2:55 pm
(October 21, 2013 at 1:06 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote:(October 21, 2013 at 11:51 am)Zazzy Wrote: But it's an individual thing.
I would say it's more an objective factual thing seeing as science is the tool we use understand the nature of the universe as we can observe, detect and measure and nothing else. It has nothing to say about God as it's entirely neutral and is it's own independent subject.
Quote:But there are many, many Christians out there who don't or can't or won't reconcile their particular god with science
You can say they are "dancing with unicorns".
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Quote:and they'll openly say that they reject scientific discovery for biblical tenets. How do you know they're wrong?
They're wrong because they're opening rejecting something we actually know about as a testable fact. I'm not saying God is a testable fact but a faith. It can be reasonable faith.
Sorry - but science does not remain "neutral" about gods - the thousands so far named by humans. Science reports facts - and if those facts contract the claims of the religions of those gods- them those religions are effectively established to be wrong.
AS science has shown - for example - prayer has NO statistically significant effect beyond that of chance - there has not been ONE study published in a peer reviews scientific journal that suggests otherwise. It makes no difference which god - or what idol you pray to as well. IF any religion were true - you would expect prayer to their god to be significantly more effective - but prayer to the sun brings more warmth than to any named god.
The easiest test - pray for someone not to die. EVERYONE from 1874 back has died -and it is fair to say that there is not a single person from the time of the christ that is still alive - even though he said her would return before all of them died.
AS far as a god being a reasonable faith - WHY?
I would expect a "creator" to be a reasonable faith - but not a god.
THere is a difference - the existence of the Universe might(Although we have NO reason to even believe that) indicate a higher power was needed to start it - but does not in any way support the rest of the supernatural nonsense of religions.
There has been NO religious group whose members have been obviously favored from natural calamity. Churches of all religions have been destroyed in floods and other weather related events.
Gods are not immune to logic and reality. IF something that is claimed cannot actually be true - then that god cannot exist as claimed. For example - the Xtian god is claimed to be All knowing - and Almighty - but that cannot be. An all knowing god can only do what it already knows it will do - and it cannot change its mind and do something it did not know about. So - it cannot do EVERYTHING (Almighty) andthe definition of the XTIAN god cannot actually happen.