How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?

[Zazzy]

One can compromise and then keep fighting. In the meantime, a lot of murders have been avoided. Makes sense to me, but there are a lot of Christians who agree with you and won't compromise in the slightest.

And they're on firmer ground than you are.

Theoretically you and they are correct. I'm just being practical.

Except that it's not a practical solution.

You can't end murder either. You can just reduce it by making it more difficult. Same with abortion.

So because I have the means to do so, I'll go to a civilized country for my medical care, and you can just force poor women into reproductive slavery, or injury from illegal abortions. That's awesome, and SO practical.

I disagree. We think of, for example, compassion as a good thing. Right now you think you're more compassionate than me on this subject. But think about it logically - you can't be compassionate if no one ever suffers. by allowing suffering, god also allows compassion, and sacrifice, and a bunch of other traits which we consider worthy and honorable, but which wouldn't exist without suffering in others.

And I keep telling you that this is a disgusting position. That you hold it is sickening. What a great rationalization for suffering babies. Again, if your god turned out to be real, I would do everything I could to fuck with it, the nasty asshole.

But that's not what's happening with your compromise, either. You are saying that you would ALLOW the one to die in order to save the rest.

Yes, that's the case in both scenarios.

It seems you are saying you WOULD pick a child to die- or even kill it yourself- to save a bus full of kids. 'K.

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Where on earth from that post do you get "having a baby with an early fatal disease is evil"? YOUR mindset- that such suffering is insignificant- is evil.

Oh, I see. You thought I mischaracterized your post, where you directly said that such suffering is insignificant, so you thought you'd do the same to me by, as I said earlier, deliberately twisting my words. Nice job. If you didn't mean that the suffering is insignificant, then RETRACT THE DAMNED POST THAT SAYS SO, which is likely to get you into FSTDT.

No, as I said, I only recently saw that you mischaracterized my post. But whatever - I'll take complete responsibility for misunderstanding you if it will get you to shut up about this distraction.

It's not a distraction. Your disgusting post about how such suffering is insignificant is the root of this whole conversation. You said DIRECTLY that such suffering is insignificant. If you didn't mean that, then say what you actually meant and quit whining about being mischaracterized.