Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: June 7, 2024, 7:02 am

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Illinois to become 15th state to recognize marriage equality
RE: Illinois to become 15th state to recognize marriage equality
It seems to me that these are the main objections to same-sex marriage:
  • Homosexuality is unnatural
  • Marriage has always been between a man and a woman
  • Homosexual unions can't produce natural offspring
  • It destroys the sanctity of marriage
  • It offends god

I'll try to answer each of these in turn.

Homosexuality is unnatural
Well this is just wrong, as this article demonstrates:

1,500 animal species practice homosexuality

I'm not saying that if animals do something, then it must be ok. I'm saying that something cannot be unnatural if it repeatedly occurs within nature.

Even if it really was unnatural, it would still be a pathetic argument. Computers aren't natural. Motorised transport isn't natural. Would you refuse medical treatment because it isn't natural?

You know what else isn't natural? Marriage. When was the last time you saw a couple of swans swear mutual oaths of loyalty and fidelity in front of their friends and family? Did you see them ratify their oaths with a legally binding contract?

Marriage has always been between a man and a woman

Not true. They have been various examples of same-sex marriages throughout history. If nothing else, the fact that it was banned in the Codex Theodosianus in 312AD kinda implies that it was going on. Why ban something that isn't happening?

Even so, arguing against something on the basis of tradition is incredibly daft.

Female genital mutilation is a tradition, is that ok? What about the tradition in india in which babies are thrown off a 15m rooftop onto a bedsheet? Human sacrifice was traditional. Or are we only talking about traditions that we like? Because if that's the case, then being traditional really doesn't have anything to do with it.

Homosexual unions can't produce natural offspring

Neither can infertile heterosexual unions. Should we really ban sterile people from getting married? Should marriages be dissolved if a spouse becomes infertile? What about IVF treatment? Can that "validate" a union? It certainly isn't "natural".

What if a heterosexual couple are both fertile but decide not to have children, can they still get married?


It destroys the sanctity of marriage

What the hell is the "sanctity" of marriage anyway? It seems to imply some kind holy aspect to it. Well non-religious marriages exist, so it's got to be more than that. Why aren't anti-SSM people up in arms about divorces and annulments? Surely nothing is a more direct threat to the sanctity of a marriage that it's dissolution?

It offends god

So does eating shellfish. Who cares? God will forgive us anyway, right? Given the innumerable things that offend god, which we all do anyway, why focus on this in particular ?



I think Violet Lilly Blossom hit the nail on the head with the issue of legal benefits. Denying homosexual couples the legal rights that married couples benefit from is just plain discrimination, no matter how you try to justify it.
Reply



Messages In This Thread
RE: Illinois to become 15th state to recognize marriage equality - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 15, 2013 at 10:23 am

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Why don't Southern states outlaw interracial marriage? Jehanne 12 1204 July 26, 2022 at 7:55 am
Last Post: h4ym4n
  Ayn Rand blamed for current state of America Foxaèr 61 3540 June 24, 2021 at 6:17 pm
Last Post: no one
  Has Mark Samsel Done A Good Job As A Kansas State Representative? BrianSoddingBoru4 11 1163 May 3, 2021 at 10:56 am
Last Post: GUBU
  Transgenderism versus Interracial Marriage. Jehanne 3 560 April 18, 2021 at 1:09 pm
Last Post: Rev. Rye
  Separation of Science and State John 6IX Breezy 233 12850 November 19, 2020 at 7:44 am
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  Why is Vatican a state? Fake Messiah 13 1387 November 11, 2020 at 9:07 am
Last Post: Gawdzilla Sama
  Ukraine will become a developed country Interaktive 17 860 August 10, 2020 at 5:18 am
Last Post: BrianSoddingBoru4
  Russia's Putin wants traditional marriage and God in constitution zebo-the-fat 17 1690 March 4, 2020 at 7:44 pm
Last Post: Fake Messiah
  Elizabeth Warren On Marriage Equality BrianSoddingBoru4 8 1584 October 15, 2019 at 11:47 am
Last Post: Gawdzilla Sama
  Satan and Flying Spaghetti Monster Unite for Church-State Separation AFTT47 2 691 September 23, 2019 at 8:29 am
Last Post: GrandizerII



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)