(November 24, 2013 at 5:20 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote:Then maybe you and cinny don't know what no true Scotsmen really is.(November 24, 2013 at 5:15 pm)Drich Wrote: Just because someone makes it to the position of a 'preacher' in life what makes you think they had to ever truly had believe in what they teach?Cinjin called it in the first sentence of the OP.
(November 24, 2013 at 4:09 am)Cinjin Wrote: I've often directed new theist members using the No True Scotsman argument to this site.
Because asking if someone really believes in what they teach, has nothing to do with the fallacy.
Pentecostals especially, do not have to have much if any formal training, they just need to be dynamic speakers, and a group of people willing to shake rattle and roll on Sunday mornings. If they get into it even with a weak faith, they can quickly prop themselves up with money, and adoration from the church. But, once that goes away so does their faith and confidence. They see their success as a measure of the power of God. If they make it God is real if they don't none of it is real. Never mind the fact that God may not want to support a ministry like the one they are selling. This can all be boiled down to simple pride. Pride is an identifiable quantifiable sin, and therefore disqualifies this condition as a 'no true Scotsmen' fallacy.