Strong Atheism starts from faith

[tavarish]

Hello ignorant one tavarish. Welcome to AF

Pot, meet kettle.

None of which negates the fallacy quoted.

It was simply an observation. I did not wish to negate the fallacy.

Thanks for your interest. Your basic misunderstanding of the bible is to be expected. Never ever in history, in the bible, or to the present day has God ever left verifiable evidence of himself. *Of course we're talking non personal now.

Thanks for the reply. Your basic misunderstanding of the argument was not expected, but is quite comical. God is not verifiable by traditional means, but only through personal means, such as personal revelation. Correct?

Is it too much to understand that you cannot pre-emptively accept a concept's existence when you're trying to verify its existence?

It's like saying "in order for me to find out if there's a Lamborghini in front of my house, I'm first going to accept beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is a Lamborghini outside my house. Then I will never go outside to check. No one on my block has seen it, but I have heard it revving its engine and I even smelled the fumes a few times. I believe."

Wouldn't it be easier to say "I wanted to see if there is a Lamborghini in front of my house. I went outside, nothing was there. I have concluded that there is no Lamborghini outside my house."

No matter how much you believe in something, that does not give it a grain of truth.

We Christians even go so far as to say this is a signature of God. This is in his nature. Literalist only interpretation is for the scientist and not the theologian.

Christians say a lot of things. Some christians also say dinosaurs wore saddles and 900 year old men lived with them in perfect harmony. I digress.

Literalist only interpretation? Seriously, the way we judge things is by evidence and reasonable doubt based on experience. If you are saying the entire bible is metaphorical, then say it. Don't insult others' intelligence by assuming it's easy to decipher and interpret in a way that it coincides with your personal beliefs. There are thousands of interpretations of the same book. What kind of signature is that? A message that is supposed to enlighten and unify people as a whole sure does send mixed messages.

Is the bible a metaphor to be interpreted? Or does it have some literal texts? If so, where, and how do you know this?

Of course you take the classic position of claiming that nothing can be understood without literal and verifiable proof. No religion works to this principle, leaving your standpoint impotent.

No religion works to this principle because there is no verifiable proof to come to a logical conclusion. Correct?

This statement illustrates that belief in God (by your own account is not verifiable by reasoned means) is unreasonable and illogical. Whether you care to admit that your belief is based in this field is up for discussion. You don't seem to cope well with the fact your religion is just as illogical as believing Homer's Odyssey was a true story.

Of course this is the point where you shout "dodge ...he's not answering the question". But of course the question is answered. There's just an unwillingness to break from a literalist mindset. Perhaps this is what Creationists also feel.

My favourite post on the topic: http://atheistforums.org/thread-1540-pos...l#pid25166

Creationists are not deluded, they're just gloriously vapid. Or malinformed. Whatever the case may be, I've never heard any creationist say "there is no evidence for God". Quite the contrary. I digress yet again.

Tell me, how do you, personally know your God is true? This question has been asked a few times before to no answer.

Existentialist bullshit. +1 atheist point

I just high five'd Jesus.

What you cannot do is have proof of God that transfers from one person to another. It's a personal verification thing. Does that make it clear?

Sure. There can be no evidence of God that is observable through independent means. Do you understand how it can be construed as a delusion to believe something on the basis of nothing rational or logical? Do you not see how that, in its very essence is illogical?

Is it not doubly perplexing to think that if a creator made humans to think with deductive reasoning, he would make it easier for his children and make his existence plainly demonstrable? If there is a God, he has no idea what he's doing.

Or am I just being ignorant again?