(December 5, 2013 at 1:19 pm)FreeTony Wrote: The problem is most people get their view on time/space from watching sci-fi films. Dimensions don't work like in films where monsters come along from "another dimension".
I'm fairly certain, as has already been said, that no one understands time well enough to actually state something is timeless.
On the WLC thing I actually googled what he had to say on these matters. As has been pointed out philosophising on this kind of stuff is pretty pointless.
Philosophy wouldn't have been able to show General relativity is "correct" for example, which has greatly advanced our understanding of both time and space. I'm not saying philosophy is useless, as it can be used as a tool in order to come up with a hypothesis, but then it can't progress further than that without actually testing the hypothesis.
What observations would one expect from the A theory of time, and how would the differ from the B theory of time? If we can't even get past this stage, it is pointless going further. Until scientists find the answers to these questions then then the answer is "we don't know", and you shouldn't start making up statements like "timeless"
I do find it really concerning that Theists can't just say "we don't really know about that aspect of God" which would at least be truthful. If I don't know something hopefully i will admit that fact, not just make something up because it sounds good.
I think you missed the point of WLC's points. it wasn't to deduce a single answer, but explore a range of possibilities. what does it mean for God to be timeless? is this possible with A and or B theory of time? he answered the range of possibilities, gave what he thought was the most likely answer. you are correct in saying philosophy can't deduce certain observations we would expect from either theory of time, though if Einstein's theories of relativity are correct (which they most likely are) B theory of time seems to be the best theory of time. anyways, whether God is separate from time and time is merely a static object to him or he created time while also becoming dynamic in it remains unknown. the point is there are possible answers out there no matter what theory of time you subscribe to.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can attain by them.
-Galileo
-Galileo
