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Poll: What do you choose
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Evolution V Creation
RE: Evolution V Creation
(February 15, 2010 at 9:45 am)rjh4 Wrote: So it seems your argument assumes a naturalistic explanation of the first anscestor(s) and because the odds would be astronomical for more than one anscestor having genetically similar RNA you assume there must have been only one. So the abiogenesis argument does come into play here but I think you previously indicated that it was an entirely separate issue. So while common descent may not require the assumption of a single original life form, it is assumptions that lead you there nonetheless and not necessarily the evidence alone.
My argument had nothing to do with an explanation of the first ancestors. I never mentioned abiogenesis...

Just to clarify, mentioning first ancestors doesn't at all mean I am talking about where they came from. I am required to talk about first ancestors because your question involved them, and your question was about common descent. Common descent is related to the first ancestors, in that all life has to be related in some way to a first ancestor. This has nothing to do with where that ancestor came from.

Even if God had created the first ancestor, or ancestors, what happened from then on is documented in the genetic makeup of life. My points about what could have happened still hold. These points are based on evidence, not assumptions. I made no assumptions about the origins of the first ancestors, nor did I have to. You gave me two scenarios (one first ancestor, many first ancestors) and I worked to interpret the evidence for each position. I pointed out to you that the chances of their being many first ancestors were almost impossible, and this is why the accepted view of science is that there was only one.

I thought I explained myself clearly, it is sad you had to twist my words to try and make it seem like I am working on assumptions here. Please don't do it again.
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Evolution V Creation - by Zen Badger - January 26, 2010 at 3:22 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Violet - January 26, 2010 at 5:15 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Zen Badger - January 26, 2010 at 6:31 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by leo-rcc - January 26, 2010 at 5:17 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Violet - January 26, 2010 at 5:22 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by leo-rcc - January 26, 2010 at 5:22 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Violet - January 26, 2010 at 5:35 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Tiberius - January 26, 2010 at 6:33 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by leo-rcc - January 26, 2010 at 6:44 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Violet - January 26, 2010 at 6:59 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by rjh4 - January 26, 2010 at 10:41 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Eilonnwy - January 26, 2010 at 11:14 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by chatpilot - January 26, 2010 at 12:17 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by rjh4 - January 26, 2010 at 2:07 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by chatpilot - January 26, 2010 at 2:51 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by rjh4 - January 26, 2010 at 3:42 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by chatpilot - January 26, 2010 at 4:16 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by rjh4 - January 26, 2010 at 4:31 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Zen Badger - January 27, 2010 at 8:54 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by rjh4 - January 27, 2010 at 11:51 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by leo-rcc - January 27, 2010 at 12:06 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Darwinian - February 8, 2010 at 3:03 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by rjh4 - February 8, 2010 at 12:11 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Rockthatpiano06 - January 26, 2010 at 5:55 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Autumnlicious - January 26, 2010 at 6:57 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by chatpilot - January 26, 2010 at 8:41 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by KichigaiNeko - January 27, 2010 at 5:52 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Edwardo Piet - January 27, 2010 at 6:36 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by chatpilot - January 27, 2010 at 8:58 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Autumnlicious - January 27, 2010 at 11:54 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by rjh4 - January 27, 2010 at 12:46 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by leo-rcc - January 27, 2010 at 1:27 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by rjh4 - January 27, 2010 at 1:58 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Zen Badger - January 27, 2010 at 7:38 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by chatpilot - January 27, 2010 at 2:05 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Zhalentine - January 27, 2010 at 4:14 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by chatpilot - January 27, 2010 at 4:23 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Zhalentine - January 27, 2010 at 4:43 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Meatball - January 27, 2010 at 5:48 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by leo-rcc - January 27, 2010 at 6:25 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by KichigaiNeko - January 27, 2010 at 10:35 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by chatpilot - January 28, 2010 at 1:41 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Violet - January 28, 2010 at 2:11 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Rhizomorph13 - January 28, 2010 at 1:52 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by chatpilot - January 28, 2010 at 1:54 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Rhizomorph13 - January 28, 2010 at 2:08 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Rhizomorph13 - January 28, 2010 at 2:15 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Edwardo Piet - January 28, 2010 at 6:53 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Zen Badger - January 28, 2010 at 9:50 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by rjh4 - January 28, 2010 at 10:56 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by leo-rcc - January 28, 2010 at 11:18 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by rjh4 - January 28, 2010 at 11:47 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by leo-rcc - January 28, 2010 at 11:51 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by rjh4 - January 28, 2010 at 12:37 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Zen Badger - January 28, 2010 at 7:35 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Edwardo Piet - January 29, 2010 at 12:13 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Dotard - January 30, 2010 at 11:29 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Tiberius - January 28, 2010 at 12:54 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by chatpilot - January 28, 2010 at 1:49 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by rjh4 - January 28, 2010 at 2:06 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Tiberius - January 28, 2010 at 2:34 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Welsh cake - February 6, 2010 at 7:40 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by solidsquid - February 7, 2010 at 5:00 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by TruthWorthy - February 8, 2010 at 1:05 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Darwinian - February 8, 2010 at 12:44 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by rjh4 - February 8, 2010 at 3:34 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Tiberius - February 8, 2010 at 5:15 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by TruthWorthy - February 8, 2010 at 6:47 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Zen Badger - February 9, 2010 at 6:30 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by rjh4 - February 9, 2010 at 9:27 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Darwinian - February 9, 2010 at 9:58 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by rjh4 - February 9, 2010 at 10:15 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Zen Badger - February 10, 2010 at 6:41 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by rjh4 - February 10, 2010 at 10:09 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Zen Badger - February 11, 2010 at 7:40 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by rjh4 - February 11, 2010 at 11:11 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Zen Badger - February 12, 2010 at 7:23 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by rjh4 - February 12, 2010 at 9:32 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Zen Badger - February 12, 2010 at 11:41 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by rjh4 - February 13, 2010 at 10:18 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Tiberius - February 13, 2010 at 11:06 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by rjh4 - February 14, 2010 at 10:27 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Tiberius - February 14, 2010 at 2:52 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Zen Badger - February 15, 2010 at 6:44 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Zen Badger - February 13, 2010 at 10:04 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Edwardo Piet - February 9, 2010 at 6:33 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by rjh4 - February 9, 2010 at 9:34 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Edwardo Piet - February 9, 2010 at 10:08 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by rjh4 - February 9, 2010 at 10:26 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Edwardo Piet - February 10, 2010 at 10:25 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by rjh4 - February 10, 2010 at 11:07 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Edwardo Piet - February 10, 2010 at 11:32 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by rjh4 - February 10, 2010 at 12:09 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by TruthWorthy - February 9, 2010 at 6:58 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by TruthWorthy - February 9, 2010 at 9:31 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Darwinian - February 9, 2010 at 10:18 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Darwinian - February 9, 2010 at 10:28 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by rjh4 - February 9, 2010 at 10:43 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by chatpilot - February 9, 2010 at 11:25 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by rjh4 - February 9, 2010 at 2:17 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by chatpilot - February 9, 2010 at 3:30 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by rjh4 - February 9, 2010 at 5:22 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by chatpilot - February 9, 2010 at 6:11 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by chatpilot - February 10, 2010 at 11:20 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Edwardo Piet - February 10, 2010 at 12:14 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by rjh4 - February 10, 2010 at 12:55 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by chatpilot - February 10, 2010 at 2:04 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by chatpilot - February 11, 2010 at 9:11 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Edwardo Piet - February 11, 2010 at 11:31 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by rjh4 - February 11, 2010 at 1:03 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Edwardo Piet - February 15, 2010 at 10:05 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by tackattack - February 12, 2010 at 7:42 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Minimalist - February 13, 2010 at 2:53 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Minimalist - February 13, 2010 at 12:47 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Darwinian - February 14, 2010 at 11:06 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by rjh4 - February 15, 2010 at 9:45 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Tiberius - February 15, 2010 at 5:02 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by rjh4 - February 16, 2010 at 11:07 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Tiberius - February 16, 2010 at 1:13 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Zen Badger - February 17, 2010 at 6:53 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Zen Badger - February 21, 2010 at 1:30 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Zen Badger - February 16, 2010 at 7:29 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Minimalist - February 14, 2010 at 1:13 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Minimalist - February 16, 2010 at 1:23 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by tavarish - February 16, 2010 at 1:54 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Minimalist - February 16, 2010 at 4:21 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by padraic - February 17, 2010 at 12:37 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Minimalist - February 17, 2010 at 12:44 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Darwinian - February 17, 2010 at 7:11 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by tavarish - February 17, 2010 at 4:11 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Darwinian - February 18, 2010 at 6:29 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 11:03 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by KichigaiNeko - February 18, 2010 at 2:57 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Darwinian - February 18, 2010 at 6:30 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by theVOID - February 19, 2010 at 2:23 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Rhizomorph13 - February 18, 2010 at 1:21 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 1:26 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Tiberius - February 18, 2010 at 2:41 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by fr0d0 - February 18, 2010 at 4:05 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by leo-rcc - February 19, 2010 at 1:45 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Shell B - February 19, 2010 at 1:59 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Shell B - February 19, 2010 at 2:27 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by theVOID - February 19, 2010 at 2:55 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by leo-rcc - February 19, 2010 at 5:19 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Shell B - February 19, 2010 at 3:00 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by theVOID - February 19, 2010 at 3:13 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Shell B - February 19, 2010 at 3:16 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Tiberius - February 19, 2010 at 10:26 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by tavarish - February 19, 2010 at 11:19 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by leo-rcc - February 19, 2010 at 10:35 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by leo-rcc - February 19, 2010 at 11:27 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by tavarish - February 19, 2010 at 3:02 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by padraic - February 19, 2010 at 6:14 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Ashes1995 - February 21, 2010 at 4:49 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by padraic - February 21, 2010 at 9:17 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by tavarish - February 21, 2010 at 11:02 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by garbishcan - January 12, 2013 at 6:06 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Aractus - January 12, 2013 at 7:24 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by TaraJo - January 12, 2013 at 11:30 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Minimalist - January 14, 2013 at 1:58 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by paulpablo - January 12, 2013 at 9:41 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Violet - January 12, 2013 at 11:13 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by pocaracas - January 12, 2013 at 2:47 pm
RE: Evolution V Creation - by garbishcan - January 14, 2013 at 1:36 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by garbishcan - January 14, 2013 at 8:19 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by KichigaiNeko - January 14, 2013 at 8:29 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Rhizomorph13 - January 14, 2013 at 10:56 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by KichigaiNeko - January 15, 2013 at 3:53 am
RE: Evolution V Creation - by Edwardo Piet - January 20, 2013 at 5:42 pm

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