(March 3, 2010 at 2:36 pm)tavarish Wrote: Though I do understand and agree with your point, to make the definition of God "being outside of anything testable", even methods we haven't devised yet, is utterly dishonest and at best a ploy to dodge internal inconsistencies and discount any empirical evidence that points to the contrary. The sheer fact that people who claim that God is outside testable claims, usually then go on to name his attributes and maintain that he can manifest in the physical world (and that he has done so in the past), means that he is testable (at least subjectively) and has a certain amount of verifiability, if only through means of faith. They assign attributes to this God, give him a nature, speak at length about what his intentions are, but then say he is untestable.
That is simply stupid and a pretty blatant cop-out. I'm talking mostly about the theists who do this very thing.
You're absolutely right and I absolutely agree. This is why I don't see an untestable God as being plausible in any sense, and don't believe such a God could ever have any influence on anything in the known universe past the point of creation. Alas, the non-testable God tends to be the one that people go by. A cop-out indeed.
(March 3, 2010 at 2:36 pm)tavarish Wrote: Also, how do you accept that this definition of God is correct?
I don't particularly accept any definiton of God as being more correct than any other. To me, none of them make sense. I believe the "God is untestable" version to be mainstream enough for it to be my default, regardless of the sense it makes (or doesn't in this case). If somebody wants to offer up a different definition though, I'll play ball on their field instead. The reason I made the comment on your post to Adrian was just to say that as I understand it, theists will always say that God is outside of the testable realm and as such define God as untestable, no matter the advancements in science. Because of this, your idea that God will one day be testable falls flat by the very (albeit ridiculous) definition of God. This doesn't even address the limitations of science which you and Adrian are currently debating.