(March 4, 2010 at 3:16 am)Saerules Wrote: [quote=Welsh Cake]Responding to fr0d0's claim that logic alone can't disprove the concept of god? Oh wait, that was a rhetorical question right? My bad.
(March 4, 2010 at 3:16 am)Saerules Wrote: Well, fr0d0's probably right. If "God" is defined as the creator of the universe (which would probably include logic)... then it could be said too that "God" exists outside of logic and logic is irrelevant to "God's" existence.
You're forgetting that fr0d0 also assigned properties to God: a nature, which he cannot act against. He makes the point that God just "is", which would also point to the law of identity, and the law of non-contradiction. God exists, and he has certain attributes. That doesn't sound illogical to me and seems like God is subject to the same rules of logic we all are.
What is illogical is that theists make these assumptions without any evidence to support the claim; they assume, then they rationalize.