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Proof A=A
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RE: Proof A=A
(March 6, 2010 at 5:26 pm)Welsh cake Wrote: A couple of points:
1. You assume many things, the Christian God exists being one of them.

I believe, and I could equally easily disbelieve

(March 6, 2010 at 5:26 pm)Welsh cake Wrote: 2. How can I 'lose my position' if you can't manage to provide one single persuasive argument for what you believe is true?

You made the claim. You have failed to back it up. You lose.

(March 6, 2010 at 5:26 pm)Welsh cake Wrote: 3. We're talking about logic, not faith. Or at least you were, but you keep changing the bloody subject whenever it suits you.

I'm asking you the question on logic. I'm free to answer your questions in any way I wish.

(March 6, 2010 at 5:26 pm)Welsh cake Wrote: 4. What translations of the Biblical God's gender are you referring to exactly?

The exact translation of the descriptions of God, in Genesis, for example, are not masculine.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http:...IMAGES.pdf

(March 6, 2010 at 5:26 pm)Welsh cake Wrote: Now fr0d0, there's a difference between logically impossible and unknowable, this is why your earlier claim logic can't refute concepts was erroneous, because it's still an existence claim, one you have the burden of proof for, because god is being put forward as a barely-working hypothesis, and not a theory.

Your claim is that God is logically impossible. Which is of course nonsense. Unless you can enlighten us of this mysterious logic you're keeping so well hidden.

(March 6, 2010 at 5:26 pm)Welsh cake Wrote: Now proposing the possibility of the existence of highly-evolved beings on other planets or in space itself falls into the category of the unknowable, because such beings may plausibly exist, but without sufficient evidence first there's no way one can ever affirm they actually do, its not supported by logic, but it cannot be refuted either.

No. It's not supported by evidence, not logic. Logically we consider alien life a possibility, and not an impossibility. After all we exist, so we have to assume that since we know physical laws can support life under certain circumstances we may not be unique.

This doesn't extend to the idea of a God. God is defined as transcendental. Unless we develop into transcendental beings we won't discover God as fact.

(March 6, 2010 at 5:26 pm)Welsh cake Wrote: Now asserting that an omni-benevolent god that created reality including hell where he torments people for an eternity for not loving him; is omnipresent yet hell is somehow separate from his presence, and so on; falls into the category of the, no no, not unknowable, but logically impossible because it's definition is one unjustifiable claim after another. The concept of an intelligent universe creator cannot be supported by logic, especially when there is evidence to suggest that no god(s) exist or were responsible for the Big Bang, due to a lack of said evidence, therefore sky-daddy (or "sky-transvestite" according to your recent research) is eligible to be refuted by logic.

It can be supported by logic though, and is. It's just ultimately unknowable. Everything around you is hard evidence should you believe in a creator.

(March 6, 2010 at 5:26 pm)Welsh cake Wrote: One would be no less justified by claiming the universe was created by the sneeze of the Invisible Pink Unicorn.

That claim would be logically unfounded.
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RE: Proof A=A - by Violet - February 20, 2010 at 5:18 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by fr0d0 - February 21, 2010 at 8:53 am
RE: Proof A=A - by Welsh cake - February 21, 2010 at 7:26 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by fr0d0 - February 21, 2010 at 8:27 pm
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RE: Proof A=A - by tavarish - March 4, 2010 at 12:23 am
RE: Proof A=A - by Welsh cake - March 6, 2010 at 5:26 pm
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RE: Proof A=A - by Welsh cake - March 10, 2010 at 4:35 pm
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