RE: Proof A=A
March 7, 2010 at 10:51 am
(This post was last modified: March 7, 2010 at 10:55 am by Welsh cake.)
(March 6, 2010 at 6:30 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: You made the claim. You have failed to back it up. You lose.I'm responding to your earlier absurd notion that logic can't disprove the concept for god. Get it through your head fr0d0.
fr0d0 Wrote:I'm asking you the question on logic. I'm free to answer your questions in any way I wish.Except that's a complete non sequitur, faith as you know is unrelated to logic and the original premise of your argument.
fr0d0 Wrote:The exact translation of the descriptions of God, in Genesis, for example, are not masculine.Well thanks fr0d0 for making me do your homework as that was a waste of time; even an apologist or biblical literalist can recognise God is being metaphorically described like a mother and/or whose image is likened to a nurturing mother; but none of these passages explicitly state the character's both male and female. So the logical contradiction that god is defined as a spiritual entity yet is apparently biologically male still stands I'm afraid.
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fr0d0 Wrote:Your claim is that God is logically impossible. Which is of course nonsense. Unless you can enlighten us of this mysterious logic you're keeping so well hidden.Why do you find calling god 'logically impossible' to be nonsensical? This is especially odd since you like many theists argue for the Transcendental Argument for the Existence of God and constantly affirm that God isn't bound by the rules of logic, because in other words, you believe this God created everything including the rules of logic, right? Therefore do you credit he can perform logically impossible actions as they're only perceived as 'impossible' from our puny perspective, correct?
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No. It's not supported by evidence, not logic. Logically we consider alien life a possibility, and not an impossibility. After all we exist, so we have to assume that since we know physical laws can support life under certain circumstances we may not be unique.
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This doesn't extend to the idea of a God. God is defined as transcendental. Unless we develop into transcendental beings we won't discover God as fact.
Well in that case here's my objection: if that's what you're actually implying of course, in that it is impossible for anyone including you to ever know anything about the god you presuppose exists to start with. To say God is outside reality subsequently rules out any possibility of you understanding its existence through your reasoning and logic. If that's honestly your position then you can't make any attempt to describe his nature or attributes (e.g. loving, infinite, cosmic judge of creation, all-powerful) to anyone else, neither would anyone else have any good reason to think this half-baked concept is true, indeed WHY even bother claim there's any god(s) to start with?
fr0d0 Wrote:It can be supported by logic though, and is. It's just ultimately unknowable. Everything around you is hard evidence should you believe in a creator.That's hardly a well-thought out rational statement from you. I'm starting to think you don't know what logic means, which would explain a lot. You're going to have to do a lot better than clouds, trees and flowers as supposed evidence for a cosmic creator.
fr0d0 Wrote:That claim would be logically unfounded.I agree. Things aren't looking any better for the god concept either. :]