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Why are other civilizations ignored in the Bible?
RE: Why are other civilizations ignored in the Bible?
(February 28, 2014 at 10:40 am)discipulus Wrote: You fail to take into account the background information accompanying the accounts of Christ's miracles.

Christ did not do one miracle and then say believe in Me. He did not do two miracles and say believe in Me. Or three or four.

I can't believe I have to point this out to you, but you've presented no reason to believe that Jesus did any miracles at all. I'm aware it claims so in the book that's all about him, but "being written in a book" is not evidence.

Quote:If I were a Jew living at that time and witnessed what Jesus was doing I could not justify not believing who He said He was.

Oh yes you could, and actually, you should. Now, I fully grant you that if you were alive and saw Jesus performing a supposed miracle, depending on the given example you'd have reason to believe you'd seen something extraordinary, but at that point you wouldn't have any reason to presume that the source of this was divine. Jesus could have been lying (maybe he was Satan in disguise!) or mistaken about the source of his power. You'd have to do further tests to know for sure.

Assumptions make an ass out of u, as they say. Stop making them in favor of things you want to be true.

Quote:With each miracle, the probability of it all happening via some naturalisitc explanation diminishes. Assuming the accounts are true it is more probable that the explanation for these occurrances is that Christ was actually who He said He was.

Not really; the best you could say is that it couldn't yet be accounted for by naturalistic means. I will fully grant that it would be okay to say that current naturalistic observations cannot explain Jesus' miracles, but that's a far cry from saying it's impossible naturally. See, I'm trying to avoid making unjustified leaps of logic so that I don't land in an incorrect conclusion, and I think I can clear up why with a comparison:

If a preacher for Thor came to see you one day and performed an identical set of miracles to the ones Jesus is claimed to have performed, and told you that he gained his power from the Norse gods, would you then conclude that the Norse gods are real and yours is not?

No? Why is that? Is it because you can see a distinction between the action, and the cause or source of that action?

That's what I would call step one on the investigative process for miracle claims.

Quote:Wanting evidence for claims of divinity is not wrong. It is right. But denying what is obvious is a matter of the will.

It isn't obvious to any of us: none of us were Jews that witnessed Jesus do anything, and so your reasoning falls on its face right away. Claiming that those of us here today are unjustified in disbelieving on those grounds would be ridiculous.
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Messages In This Thread
Why are other civilizations ignored in the Bible? - by catman - February 15, 2014 at 11:56 pm
RE: Why are other civilizations ignored in the Bible? - by Lek - February 17, 2014 at 10:18 pm
RE: Why are other civilizations ignored in the Bible? - by Lek - February 21, 2014 at 10:07 pm
RE: Why are other civilizations ignored in the Bible? - by Lek - February 21, 2014 at 11:34 pm
RE: Why are other civilizations ignored in the Bible? - by Esquilax - February 28, 2014 at 12:39 pm

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