RE: What the God debate is really about
March 10, 2014 at 12:27 am
(This post was last modified: March 10, 2014 at 12:36 am by Mudhammam.)
(March 9, 2014 at 10:04 pm)Rayaan Wrote: But again, the ability of bringing about the right organization of molecules for consciousness to arise must already be a part of the underlying "objective reality."
Accepting the idea that:
1. Our consciousness is a combination of the complex laws of physics, chemistry, and biology (all which are contained within the objective reality),
while maintaining that:
2. The objective reality itself is fundamentally non-conscious,
seems to be in conflict because it's as if you are implying that the objective reality (through the atoms and the laws of nature) started perceiving itself one day (through beings like you and me) and then regarded itself to be something non-conscious.
^ The point is that your consciousness and objective reality are deeply entangled. Your consciousness is a manifestation of objective reality. Therefore when you say that objective reality is not conscious, then you are technically saying that you yourself is not conscious, which you know is not true.
Hmm.. on some level, yes. We, the conscious observers, are an organized collection of innumerable infinitesimal atoms which themselves aren't conscious. I suppose within this objective reality exists the principle for potential consciousness to emerge if a number of conditions are met. But I wouldn't say this makes everything that comprises fundamental reality, or even yet the deeper underlying principles of that, conscious. Only some of it carries (at least that we currently know) within the potential for matter and energy to make consciousness possible. Now how these parts are connected to consciousness beyond our observer-observation relationship (or even how that works) to me seems like a matter of speculation at this point.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza