Atheist arguments and the morality of God.

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Ok, so it's a flawless argument which doesn't work because the people it's being applied to do not, by definition, have the framework necessary to make it work. Does that not amount to the same thing?

Well, I don't think it's flawless, and personally to me it's no more than an observation that can be used in response to certain moral claims, but that wasn't the point I'm getting at. My issue is that I don't think the fact that a theist finds the argument unconvincing because they believe god is always good means that the argument is fatally flawed; I think it means that the particular theistic point of view being espoused is flawed.

Someone else's intractability and unwillingness to step outside of their own presuppositions isn't my problem, basically. I'm fine with the idea of attempting to convince someone of things, but if that person won't step out of a mindset that "god is good because god says everything god does is good," and that's the end of the conversation, then it's not my job to work within their framework until that framework can be demonstrated as real.