RE: I believe in God: So Debate me
April 12, 2014 at 3:18 pm
(This post was last modified: April 12, 2014 at 3:23 pm by Rabb Allah.)
(April 2, 2014 at 4:01 pm)tor Wrote: Except that there is no debate. He claims he seen something we don't and there is no way to verify it. People who take drugs can say the same thing.
That is the issue. This is why I am entirely against proselitization.
Age of Reason Wrote:As it is necessary to affix right ideas to words, I will, before I
proceed further into the subject, offer some other observations on the
word revelation. Revelation, when applied to religion, means
something communicated immediately from God to man.
No one will deny or dispute the power of the Almighty to make such
a communication, if he pleases. But admitting, for the sake of a case,
that something has been revealed to a certain person, and not
revealed to any other person, it is revelation to that person only. When
he tells it to a second person, a second to a third, a third to a fourth,
and so on, it ceases to be a revelation to all those persons. It is
revelation to the first person only, and hearsay to every other, and
consequently they are not obliged to believe it.
It is a contradiction in terms and ideas, to call anything a
revelation that comes to us at second-hand, either verbally or in
writing. Revelation is necessarily limited to the first
communication- after this, it is only an account of something which
that person says was a revelation made to him; and though he may
find himself obliged to believe it, it cannot be incumbent on me to
believe it in the same manner; for it was not a revelation made to me,
and I have only his word for it that it was made to him.
This sums up things rather nicely since I reject the idea that the existence of god should even be debate and merely be studied and researched. It is entirely subjective and not worth debating. I was the one that warned you that this would not be a satisfying debate
(April 3, 2014 at 4:00 am)smax Wrote: I'll settle the debate. There is no personal god, one that actually gives a shit about individuals or their plight in life. That's obvious.
Okay, so that issue is resolved, now let's move on.
I agree, the conception of a person god is ludicrous which is something I have stated before. I doubt we can move on though since you are blowing wind as of now. Nobody is debating the existence of a personal god
(April 2, 2014 at 11:59 pm)Phatt Matt s Wrote: I just tend to side with the underdog who's getting gang raped. If I were anticatholics I'd favor the Catholic who's outnumbered and treated like shit, if the Jew is getting gang raped I favor the Jew, if it is the atheist standing up against a crowd of theists I favor the atheist, or the heretic being burned for heresy, or the Christians in Communist Russia going off to the gulags, or the Christians in pagan Rome getting fed to lions and raped by donkeys, Or an educated evolutionist presenting their case to a Christian forum...
You get the point. I favor the underdog even if I disagree with them. I admire those who dare to be their own person and not compromise to be accepted.
In this case I admire Mr. Barak Hussein Muhammad Osama Obdulla shayikaya Abdulrab! Praise Allah!
You are such a genuinely good person. It astonishes me sometimes because usually I favor atheist in theistic forums. I only came here to see if I could make a switch for once and actually battle an atheist with pure intellect although it is not successful which I knew from the state it wouldn't be because I do not handle atheistic assertions.
I am actually very pro Jew for this very reason since they are such an oppressed people. Borderline Zionist you may say .
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Preach it brother