"If you're not a Feminist, you're a Sexist"

[*Deidre*]

While sad, these are individual cases, not a remote comparison to women not being permitted to vote at one point, for example. As a gender.

African american men and women at one point, weren't permitted to attend (by law) schools that white kids attended.

Gay people have just recently received the right to legally marry in some parts of the US, and other countries.

Making fun of men on sitcoms, or men not winning their custody battles, is not remotely comparable to these other examples that I've provided.

I don't like to see anyone marginalized, but it's very insulting and dismissive to remotely equate it to legit, historical civil rights issues.

I'm not a feminist, btw.

I agree that they aren't comparable. You didn't ask for something as bad, just something that exists. That was the only example I could think of. I wasn't particularly trying to disagree, just to think of something. I do think when talking about this or similar subjects though it's important to talk about things that are happening presently. Your first two examples are past examples, if it's a fair point to use the past then how long are we allowed to go into the past?

It is fair, because it demonstrates why feminism originated. It demonstrates what women have had to undergo, and how, even to this day, they are often not paid an equitable salary their male counterparts, for doing the same job. That's why it's relevant.

We still don't have a female President. Hilary Clinton's aspirations of running for President, has caused her to gain media scrutiny over her looks. lol I mean, really? She's an incredibly accomplished, intelligent woman, but as long as she is female, she will be judged differently than a man running for office. That's a relevant and very real example.

It is what it is. I enjoy being a woman, but sexism and discrimination didn't just evaporate when women received the right to vote. Change takes time, and we have come a long way, but there are sooo many areas that need improvement.

Men are not marginalized in this way. Although, what I'd like to see change is women not automatically being granted custody of their children in divorce proceedings, simply because they are women. It seems a ''bad'' mother could be given parental rights over a fantastic dad, just because the laws have always favored women.

But, why is that? Because historically, women have raised the children. A paradigm created by Christian men, mainly. But, we won't bring religion into it. lol

The irony is that men have set up the laws, that now, they dislike.

I hear your points, and appreciate them.

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What does it matter? White heterosexual men have been running the show in the US, anyways, for a long time. That's why it matters.

The point was that race was not including and it's irrelevant.

So, what you said proves that white males can't or aren't oppressed? for example all the white heterosexuals look out for each other and keep each other out of being oppressed or something? quite delusional, no?

For you to suggest otherwise, explains why you honestly think 'men' are being marginalized in remote comparison to other sectors of the population.

If we're talking about America, I'd say women have it just as good, worse or better depending where you go and you aren't oppressed to any other degree that men are.

I mean, if you were really oppressed we would put you women on the front lines and more of you would be in jail instead of a 10:1 prison ratio for men.

And spare me your name calling. I'm not a racist or a sexist. I'm telling you facts, that apparently, you don't wish to accept.

It wasn't name calling it was a judgement of the words you said, not your character. But I see you're going to play the professional victim card. I guess I'm oppressing you lol.

This is why feminists laugh. Not because of men being marginalized, but because (white/heterosexual) men think they are being marginalized. lol

You really are saying some racist and sexist things. Who brought up race again? Oh yeah, you. And yes, because of the color of someones skin that means they are never oppressed. Do you have any idea how dumb that sounds? you might as well come out as a feminist since you obviously think there is this elaborate patriarchy of white men keeping the rest of you down. Maybe instead of looking at race or gender like a simpleton you should look for actual factors of why we are all oppressed, yes even white people who happen to have penises.

Okay, please provide examples of how white heterosexual men have been marginalized. So far, this is just your opinion. Not sure why you are unwilling to provide examples to support your assertion?

What I say is true. If it weren't, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

I shall say it differently, then. Christian conservative men have been running the US for a long time. Controlling the government, laws, etc.
Make of that what you will.