"If you're not a Feminist, you're a Sexist"

[MJ the Skeptical]

I agree that they aren't comparable. You didn't ask for something as bad, just something that exists. That was the only example I could think of. I wasn't particularly trying to disagree, just to think of something. I do think when talking about this or similar subjects though it's important to talk about things that are happening presently. Your first two examples are past examples, if it's a fair point to use the past then how long are we allowed to go into the past?

It is fair, because it demonstrates why feminism originated. It demonstrates what women have had to undergo, and how, even to this day, they are often not paid an equitable salary their male counterparts, for doing the same job. That's why it's relevant.

We still don't have a female President. Hilary Clinton's aspirations of running for President, has caused her to gain media scrutiny over her looks. lol I mean, really? She's an incredibly accomplished, intelligent woman, but as long as she is female, she will be judged differently than a man running for office. That's a relevant and very real example.

It is what it is. I enjoy being a woman, but sexism and discrimination didn't just evaporate when women received the right to vote. Change takes time, and we have come a long way, but there are sooo many areas that need improvement.

Men are not marginalized in this way. Although, what I'd like to see change is women not automatically being granted custody of their children in divorce proceedings, simply because they are women. It seems a ''bad'' mother could be given parental rights over a fantastic dad, just because the laws have always favored women.

But, why is that? Because historically, women have raised the children. A paradigm created by Christian man, mainly. But, we won't bring religion into it. lol

I hear your points, and appreciate them.

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The point was that race was not including and it's irrelevant.

So, what you said proves that white males can't or aren't oppressed? for example all the white heterosexuals look out for each other and keep each other out of being oppressed or something? quite delusional, no?


If we're talking about America, I'd say women have it just as good, worse or better depending where you go and you aren't oppressed to any other degree that men are.

I mean, if you were really oppressed we would put you women on the front lines and more of you would be in jail instead of a 10:1 prison ratio for men.


It wasn't name calling it was a judgement of the words you said, not your character. But I see you're going to play the professional victim card. I guess I'm oppressing you lol.


You really are saying some racist and sexist things. Who brought up race again? Oh yeah, you. And yes, because of the color of someones skin that means they are never oppressed. Do you have any idea how dumb that sounds? you might as well come out as a feminist since you obviously think there is this elaborate patriarchy of white men keeping the rest of you down. Maybe instead of looking at race or gender like a simpleton you should look for actual factors of why we are all oppressed, yes even white people who happen to have penises.

Okay, please provide examples of how white heterosexual men have been marginalized. So far, this is just your opinion.

What I say is true. If it weren't, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Complete bullshit. Hilary lost to Obama because of their stance on the war. Hilary was in favor of it and Obama wasn't. It had nothing to do with gender. Hilary was literally in the lead the whole time until Obama came out with his anti-war rhetoric and change rhetoric. Hilary will likely be the next president, so where will your excuse be then about straight white male oppression. And I did give you an area of oppression, prison statistics and child custody was brought up earlier as well.

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Since we're talking about America, where are your opportunities as a woman being declined where they are green-lit for men?..