So U think Vegan is healthy?

[MJ the Skeptical]

The videos in the OP are of someone who was unable to thrive on a well planned vegan diet, no matter what supplements he took etc he couldn't build muscle

Kind of a slippery slope suggesting that you need meat to gain muscle huh? Are you suggesting people haven't gained muscle on vegan diets or there are no vegan athletes? If your answer is no then I'm just going to outright call you wrong and ignorant.

..that's in the very first post, you only had to read that far.

Which didn't prove that you needed meat since people can live without it, but continue...

Animal protein is high quality protein and plant protein is low quality

So what?

vegans do claim that enough "low quality" plant protein can replace the good-quality animal protein

Thus my, so what? comment above.

however it doesn't work like that in the real world. It might work for some, but certainly not for everyone, so not everyone get enough protein from fruit, veg and nuts.

Which is why I suggested a balanced diet, there are drawbacks to every diet you try. If you exclusively ate meat or mostly ate meat you'd have horrible problems if not worse problems that if you were vegan or mostly vegan. And while a balanced diet is the best we can do currently, can we at least agree that meat is far from the most needed food group.

I beg your fucking pardon? At least read some academic literature before spurting your bullshit here.

Why do you assume I haven't? What are you even saying I'm getting wrong. I've been pretty universal about this whole thing and even saying we should have a balanced diet. And I'll even go as far to say getting rid of meat is not likely any time soon.

"High quality protein" is a source of protein which provides all nine essential amino acids, and the only source of high quality protein is meat and animal products (eggs and dairy).

I was going to mention eggs, cheese, beans, tofu, yogurt and nuts to name a few.

Plant-based products (fruit/veg/nuts) contain dietary fibre with incomplete protein, that's why plant protein is called "low quality".

We're not in disagreement about what has more protein, I think you're kind of missing the point of my post. Let me give you a hypothetical. If we were able to get our protein in the same way as we do with meat, could you ween yourself from meat someday? From what I've been reading into, we will likely have the ability to grow meat in the lab with simple cells or some other modified way.

just because two foods have it doesn't mean they're the same.

Nobody ever said two similar foods were the same, that's your straw man.