So U think Vegan is healthy?

[Aractus]

No, I meant your as a pronoun.

Fair enough, point taken.

A list of your bullshit personal attacks:

• That's not an advocation of veganism, you're an idiot.
  
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  Do you have any empathy for other animals or no? how could any empathetic, altruistic human being possibly be against properly synthesized food if we could save billions of animals that get killed every year. I will freely admit it's not viable yet, but why would you not at least be in favor of it unless you're just a cold-hearted speciesist. Maybe you are a speciesist seeing as how you're a Christian.
  
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  That's because you're arguing with yourself, dumbass.
  
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  I don't need to be new to recognize a poisoned mind.
  
  I'm sure you're a nice guy, but, religious people like you love to distort the actual facts. The truth of the matter is, you argued against nobody, you thought I was a vegan the whole time. You made yourself look bad, I don't need to be new to recognize that either.

You're the one who conflated 'high' with 'good'. So tell me, who's making straw man's again...

Really? Let's count the straw men in your last post then shall we?

1. I think you completely missed the point of what I said, but I'm not surprised. If you think someone who eats mostly meat is better off than someone who eats mostly vegetarian / vegan / whatever label, that's fine, you're entitled to your stupid opinion. I don't know how much we can agree on before you just knock it off. How you can still argue with me after I advocate a balanced diet is beyond reasonable.
   
2. If you think meat is the most important food group then there's really no helping you here.
   
3. Do you have any empathy for other animals or no? how could any empathetic, altruistic human being possibly be against properly synthesized food if we could save billions of animals that get killed every year. I will freely admit it's not viable yet, but why would you not at least be in favor of it unless you're just a cold-hearted speciesist. Maybe you are a speciesist seeing as how you're a Christian.
   
4. I'm sure you're a nice guy, but, religious people like you love to distort the actual facts. The truth of the matter is, you argued against nobody, you thought I was a vegan the whole time. You made yourself look bad, I don't need to be new to recognize that either.
   
5. Really? people can't get allergic to meat? news to me, sounds like bullshit but you may be right.

Since you like posting straw men so much I'll answer them for you:

1. There's no such thing as "mostly vegan". You're using the term as if it means "plant based diet with some meat".

2. All major food groups are important, but the least important is dairy since most people can't eat it.

3. "If we could save animals..." etc is an emotional argument. I agree with environmental concerns coming well before emotional concerns. Two things I see as ridiculous is 1. the UN not allowing Japan to hunt non-endangered marine life whilst allowing the hunting of critically endangered species, 2. the EU in 2009 putting a ban on Canadian Seal products when seals are like rabbits or roos in Australia - a pest species that needs annual culling for the good of biodiversity. Pasture is a much more environmentally friendly use of land compared to agriculture. If you're going to make meat artificially then what use would you have in mind for farmland used for pasture? How are you going to grow the meat in an environmentally friendly way? Cows and Sheep eat the grass straight out of the ground, Pigs are fed primarily spoiled fruit and veg, so how are you going to grow meat in a way as environmentally friendly as pasture-fed?

4. I never called you a vegan. I have not distorted the facts and I've provided many academic references whereas you have provided zero.

Here's what you originally posted to fr0d0:

A religious person crying unfounded claim, oh the irony. Can you not get protein from beans and other alternatives like soy? Your lack of imagination or education on nutrition is not an unfounded assertion by me.

Then you posted this at me:

You're still full of shit, meat is not the one and only good source of protein.

And then this:

Kind of a slippery slope suggesting that you need meat to gain muscle huh? Are you suggesting people haven't gained muscle on vegan diets or there are no vegan athletes? If your answer is no then I'm just going to outright call you wrong and ignorant.

You came into a thread in which the primary topic is long-term veganism, and you started making claims that are unsubstantiated for long-term veganism without providing any sources. I made no assumptions about your diet, all I did was respond to your claims. You don't have to be vegan to claim that vegan diets are healthy, etc. In fact until recently as I said in the original post I believed that proper vegan diets are healthy, and I now believe it's been proven to me that this isn't true for everyone - my position is right there in the OP.

5. I'm calling bullshit on you. Whatever way I answer that you're going to claim I'm making a straw man, so I'll simply state what I know to be the facts: some people have allergies to certain foods, eg fish, but I've never heard of anybody being allergic to all meats at the same time, just as I've never heard of anybody being allergic to all grains at the same time. If you believe that some people are allergic to all meat then start providing references.