(May 16, 2014 at 5:57 pm)Hegel Wrote:(May 16, 2014 at 4:33 am)Zidneya Wrote: And if you hadn't started to defend your point instead of hearing what atheists have to say and learn from it I would believed you.
So I should not defend my opinion of religion? That's pure nonsense.
The problem is that you have not grasped what I asked: I am talking about scientific understanding of religion as a phenomenon of nature. My standpoint is totally atheist: religion as social, natural, psychological phenomenon, and how to understand it as such. Get it?
So I should not defend my opinion of religion?
Your not gonna like my answer but hey you asked.
Actually thats the whole point of my speech. Questions.
What if someone ask me to see what people think about a specific topic(that I don't like). So I go by the streets to interview everyone who agrees to answer my questions to see what people thinks. Or I make a online poll or quiz(the point is that nevertheless the method I choose, I end up asking people questions about what they think).
And then
I start defending a statements just because I don't like peoples answers. The ones that I like I don't say anything but the ones who's answer I don't like I start refuting them again and again to see if they can change their mind. A'm I respecting people opinion by doing that? Can I really tell myself or others that I wan't to know what they think?
Because the whole point of asking someone something isn't to show them what I think is right. I'm asking questions to see what THEY think is right.
Quote:So I should not defend my opinion of religion?So NO
Look if you want to defend your opinion of religion I have a crazy idea. Why don't you say that in the first place?
Start a thread when you say Listen I think "this", and I think religion is "this", and I think that because of "this." And I would like to discuss it with you guys.
But no what you did is:
Listen I read all this people. And I find silly so I'm gonna ask you this questions but hey hey wait a minute be ready because I'm gonna defend myself again and again. This isn't of me to see what you say on the other hand listen to me. You are gonna back up your word with statements well even better because I would have more to refute.
That's not asking thats bragging pal don't tell me otherwise.
I made a thread here a couple of days ago asking whats the difference between a cult and a religion? Because to me there was no difference and I said that from the beginning.
And then there was this guy called "FreeTony" who said different. And I explained him why I disagree with him and in the end I said to him: I think we will agree that we disagree.
And then there was "psychoslice" he also disagree with me so I showed him a couple of videos of purity balls and discrimination. To see if I could make him see my point but he didn't so in the end I told him. Okay pal if you are still gonna maintain your word okay so be it. And even when others started to question him again and again I left him alone because I asked, he decide to respond, we may think that the other is wrong but each one has the right to say what they want and I have to respect that. Later if I want to debate with him I can contact him anytime I want I tell him that.
See for yourself.
http://atheistforums.org/thread-26013-page-3.html
I wasn't defending my opinion of religion so they can agree with me I did it to see what they think. And it turns out that most of them agreed at some level with me.
The only one I kept arguing was "Last Things" because he said that I shouldn't take in consideration the answers that the other atheists gave me. Who the hell is he to say which thoughts should and shouldn't be taken in count IN MY THREAD .
So don't give me the " My standpoint is totally atheist: religion as social, natural, psychological phenomenon, and how to understand it as such."
Because you already admited that you want to to convert "New Atheists" into atheists of different order/type. That's your point with your own words. So don't try to convince me otherwise.