(May 18, 2014 at 5:05 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Here is where I'm going to be honest with you. Science has little to do With my position on gods, bryond Some basic facts and the scientific method. Now I have a proposal, let's same for the sake of argument that we both there are God(s) and that they created the universe. How could you demonstrate to me that it was your God, the God described in the Bible and not Brahma, and the other gods described in the Vedas and many texts holy texts of the Hindu's?
lek Wrote:I would point out the superiority of the bible, written over 1,500 yearsYour wrong there, the oldest text ascribed we have is dated to between 975-1000 BC. It is also in a language that is older then biblical, and for that reason it has been very difficult to decipher. Infact the three words that are cited in the article are all root words found in archaic biblical Hebrew.
Infact here I will link a paper that very neatly explains the current view among bible scholars on the authorship of the bible
http://www.cs.umd.edu/~mvz/bible/doc-hyp.pdf
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/...ext_2.html
Now we know compilation of the veda was also done by many authors and started in mid 2nd BC and was completed completed between 1500-1000 BC
Quote:, by many different human authors, leading up to Jesus and the fulfilled prophecies therein and so on.If the bible's prophecies were all fulfilled then explain this
rationalwiki Wrote:Destruction of Tyre
For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will bring upon Tyrus Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, a king of kings, from the north, with horses, and with chariots, and with horsemen, and companies, and much people. He shall slay with the sword thy daughters in the field: and he shall make a fort against thee, and cast a mount against thee, and lift up the buckler against thee. And he shall set engines of war against thy walls, and with his axes he shall break down thy towers. By reason of the abundance of his horses their dust shall cover thee: thy walls shall shake at the noise of the horsemen, and of the wheels, and of the chariots, when he shall enter into thy gates, as men enter into a city wherein is made a breach. With the hoofs of his horses shall he tread down all thy streets: he shall slay thy people by the sword, and thy strong garrisons shall go down to the ground. And they shall make a spoil of thy riches, and make a prey of thy merchandise: and they shall break down thy walls, and destroy thy pleasant houses: and they shall lay thy stones and thy timber and thy dust in the midst of the water. And I will cause the noise of thy songs to cease; and the sound of thy harps shall be no more heard. And I will make thee like the top of a rock: thou shalt be a place to spread nets upon; thou shalt be built no more: for I the LORD have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD. [2]
In this block of text God states quite blatantly that Nebuchadnezzar would sack and destroy completely the city of Tyre. However the events given in this passage never did come to pass. After a 13 year siege Nebuchadnezzar withdrew his forces. Despite being conquered and razed (torn down) by Alexander the Great 240 years later, [3] Tyre still exists
Quote: I believe if you open up to God he will lead you to Jesus.Evidence comes before belief, and a all-loving omnipotent would understand this.
Hell here I'd like to quote thomas jefferson because he put it a lot better then I can
Thomas Jefferso Wrote:Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear.
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Quote: When it comes down to it you have to make your own decision based on faith.First to clear up any ambiguity lets see how the bible defines faith
There's no scientific method for deciding whether or not to believe in God.
hebrews 11:1 Wrote:New American Standard BibleNow for context the book of hebrews is paul addressing the jews regarding jesus and matters of faith.
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
Given that definition as defined by the second most important figure in Christianity, you can use faith justify any believe you want to hold. That includes any religious inclination be it hindu, pagan, scientology, or even that wretched mess called islam. Man of these people will also claim a relationship with said deity, and you can't do a damn thing to prove their wrong and your right because you accept your religion on the exact same criteria. Furthermore most of these religions are demonstrably false in much the same way your personal favorite is. To boot not a single one of them has met any reasonable burden of proof. That said again the hindu's came a lot closer with the milk drinking miracles then christianity ever has.
This one has any christian miracle beat as it actually happened, and was covered by credible news networks. I
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.