RE: Q about arguments for God's existence.
June 26, 2014 at 3:10 am
(This post was last modified: June 26, 2014 at 3:44 am by Wyrd of Gawd.)
(June 26, 2014 at 2:05 am)Rampant.A.I. Wrote:(June 26, 2014 at 1:37 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: So are you saying that if we were looking through our telescope 13.2 billion years ago that we would see the Universe that we see now?
Are you also saying that the Universe has expanded 32.3 billion light years in 13.7 billion years?
No, he's saying if you stood on a planet in one of the furthest galaxies in the Hubble volume and pointed a telescope at where Earth is now, it wouldn't be there.
If you were looking through a telescope 13.7 billion years ago, there would be a lot of superheated plasma and debris in the way.
Of course the Earth wouldn't be there because it isn't as old as the Milky Way Galaxy. Besides, you can't see a planet this small, especially from a distant galaxy.
Since there's no evidence of superheated plasma and debris in the field of vision today there wouldn't have been any in the way 13.2 billion years ago when you looked out into space.
To be clear the contention is that the distant galaxies we see are 13.7 light years away. So that means that they existed in the form that they are in 13.7 billion years ago. Do you agree?
Now, my question was that since the Milky Way Galaxy is supposed to be about 13.2 billion years old if you were an observer at that time, 13.2 billion years ago, and looked out into space would you see the distant galaxies that you see now in addition to all of the ones between them and the Milky Way?
Of course you wouldn't see the current stars we see now because they weren't in existence then but the galaxies were. And since we can see countless galaxies today they should have been visible 13.2 billion years ago because our galaxy existed at that time. Do you agree?
Don't confuse galaxies with individual stars, which come and go. Galaxies do merge and we are merging with the Milky Way now. Our Sun is a native of the Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy.
Now to restate the question: You're floating around the Milky Way Galaxy 13.2 billion years ago looking out into space. The Universe at that time is supposed to be 13.7 billion years old as measured by the time it takes for light to reach us from the farthest object. So as you're looking out into space were are all of the galaxies that we can now see within 500 million light years of the new Milky Way Galaxy? Do you understand the question?
This is a depiction of objects today that are within 500 million light years of us. http://www.myastrologybook.com/Universe-...-years.htm
The “observable” universe is thought to consist of roughly:
- *10 million superclusters
- *25 billion galaxy groups
- *350 billion large galaxies
- *7 trillion dwarf galaxies
and *30 billion trillion (3X10^22) stars
(of which, almost 30 stars go supernova per second)
http://www.fromquarkstoquasars.com/from-...niverse-2/
Could all of this material fit within a ball 500 million light years in diameter? You can ignore the *30 billion trillion (3X10^22) stars and just concentrate on the 350 billion large galaxies and 7 trillion dwarf galaxies.