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So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby
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RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby
(July 1, 2014 at 8:09 am)Jaysyn Wrote:
(June 30, 2014 at 9:07 pm)Jenny A Wrote: I don't mind the idea that the owners of closely held corporations have 1st Amendment rights. I do mind the idea that for profit companies or business owners can get away without paying for legally mandated employee benefits just because they object to them on religious grounds.

"Closely-held" companies amount to around 90% of employers in the US.

It's a bullshit metric. The only real solution to this is for workers to quit / strike en masse, we get our shit together with single payer health care, or we amend the Constitution ala the ongoing response to the Citizen's United ruling.

That's a dead link you have there. I'm seeing figures are 90% of corporations, but only 50% of employees work for them. Slate That doesn't surprise me much. Most business are small businesses. And yes the case could potentially affect a lot of people.

I don't like ruling, because I don't like the Restorations Act and I think business owners should not be exempt from paying some employee benefits or some taxes out of religious conscience.

That said, why should businessmen check their constitutional rights at the door just because they incorporate?

There is a silver lining (or perhaps bandaide to stanch the flow of benefit blood):

Quote:But Justice Alito's decision went to lengths to limit the scope of the decision. “This decision concerns only the contraceptive mandate and should not be understood to hold that all insurance-coverage mandates, e.g. for vaccinations or blood transfusions, must necessarily fall if they conflict with an employer’s religious beliefs."

Which is clear warning that not everything an employer can't refuse to pay for everything his objects to on religious grounds.

What Hobby Lobby did get out of was IUD's and the morning after type contraceptive. In other words the ones Evangelicals and others think are really abortions because they think a fertilized egg is a baby. It's a pro-life victory, not an anti-contraceptive victory. They still have to provide insurance for other types of contraceptives.
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So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Mister Agenda - June 30, 2014 at 11:50 am
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Nine - June 30, 2014 at 11:57 am
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Jenny A - June 30, 2014 at 12:20 pm
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Nine - June 30, 2014 at 12:45 pm
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Nine - June 30, 2014 at 12:49 pm
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Dystopia - June 30, 2014 at 5:54 pm
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Dystopia - June 30, 2014 at 8:38 pm
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Brian37 - June 30, 2014 at 8:38 pm
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Dystopia - June 30, 2014 at 2:51 pm
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Jenny A - June 30, 2014 at 2:53 pm
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Dystopia - June 30, 2014 at 2:57 pm
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Dystopia - June 30, 2014 at 3:07 pm
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Dystopia - June 30, 2014 at 3:23 pm
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Dystopia - June 30, 2014 at 3:46 pm
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Jenny A - June 30, 2014 at 9:07 pm
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Jaysyn - July 1, 2014 at 8:09 am
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Jenny A - July 1, 2014 at 9:20 am
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Minimalist - June 30, 2014 at 12:47 pm
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by vorlon13 - June 30, 2014 at 1:03 pm
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Jaysyn - June 30, 2014 at 1:12 pm
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by vorlon13 - June 30, 2014 at 1:16 pm
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Jaysyn - June 30, 2014 at 1:21 pm
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Jenny A - June 30, 2014 at 1:36 pm
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Jaysyn - June 30, 2014 at 1:43 pm
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Angrboda - June 30, 2014 at 1:30 pm
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Jenny A - June 30, 2014 at 1:38 pm
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by dreenbmp - June 30, 2014 at 1:52 pm
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Esquilax - June 30, 2014 at 8:39 pm
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Brian37 - June 30, 2014 at 8:41 pm
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Dystopia - June 30, 2014 at 9:04 pm
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Jackalope - June 30, 2014 at 10:16 pm
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Jenny A - June 30, 2014 at 11:23 pm
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Esquilax - July 1, 2014 at 12:29 am
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Jenny A - July 1, 2014 at 12:36 am
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Esquilax - July 1, 2014 at 12:38 am
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Cato - July 1, 2014 at 8:11 am
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Jaysyn - July 1, 2014 at 8:25 am
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Jenny A - July 1, 2014 at 12:15 pm
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Jaysyn - July 1, 2014 at 3:23 pm
So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Rampant.A.I. - July 1, 2014 at 10:54 pm
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by vorlon13 - July 1, 2014 at 11:16 pm
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Jaysyn - July 7, 2014 at 3:39 pm
RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby - by Jaysyn - July 7, 2014 at 4:02 pm

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