The You Can't Make This Shit Up Department

[Dystopia]

Incitement of violence is a crime.

Apparently so are certain associations where you are. It's a thought crime.

It's not just an American ideal. Consult Article 20 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

But the right of association is not above other rights, such as the right of equality independently of race or gender, so if an association as an objective of promoting it it is not allowed. Period. It doesn't mean I don't accept the american way of doing things, it's a different perspective.

Here is the german example:
"Article 9 [Freedom of association]

(1) All Germans shall have the right to form corporations and other associations.

(2) Associations whose aims or activities contravene the criminal laws, or that are directed against the constitutional order or the concept of international understanding, shall be prohibited."

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I guess in america individual liberties prevail, while here public order and security is above individual liberties.

Note that public order is a part of fascism, while individual liberties aren't. Maybe that's part of the reason that some European countries went fascist while America didn't.

Public order and security is essential to any society. It also exist in fascism, but that doesn't mean a democracy doesn't need public order.

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I guess in america individual liberties prevail, while here public order and security is above individual liberties.

Sounds like an authoritarian wet dream to me.

An authoritarian regime would be a lot better than america's oligarchy... And authority is a necessity in any society, sometimes larger authority will be needed, other times less authority will be enough. Freedom without authority is chaos, authority without freedom is tyranny, finding a middle ground between both should be the purpose

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That's true here too, but only if it's an immediate incitement to crime.

Same here, but again I guess for us fascist associations are a direct incitement to crime, just think about paramilitary groups used by former leaders that persecuted the opposition,

Yes, actually we do have that right.

we don't, we have the right to criticize, not insult. If I call someone a cunt or a bitch on national tv can't I get sued?

There are many Americans who don't understand why we have the right to bear arms. The NRA will tell you it is so that the people will retain the ability to rebel against the government. I'm not so sure. It's a contentious issue here.

Rebellion or revolution is not legal, but of course that's usually how it is, you can't make a revolution or coup d' etat, but this is useless, since in practice if we abolished our government and made a new constitution the old one would become ineffective, and a revolution usually means a new constitution