(July 12, 2014 at 12:46 am)alexwenzel Wrote: It is a fact that a creature will never fully understand it's creator. "It is God's privilege to conceal things and the king's privilege to discover them." (Proverbs 25:2)
There's no particular reason why a creature can't understand its creator. Do you understand your father less than other men? And if so is that because he had an hand in your creation?
Quote:Anyone who wants to know how to make a delicious dish will ask a professional Chef, not a carpenter. Anyone who wants to know the character of God should hear from someone that knows Him, not an atheist.
Nope, you aren't talking about how to make the dish, but rather what it tastes like. No special knowledge is required other than to taste it, which many atheists have done.
Quote:I often hear atheists talking about the character of God when they don't even believe in God. They speak as if they believe, with a mission to disprove God. Why are they so concerned to take people's hope away I don't understand. "How long, you simpletons, will you insist on being simpleminded? How long will you mockers relish your mocking? How long will you fools hate knowledge?" (Proverbs 1:22)
Why try to enlighten you? Because you are here and you are lacking in knowledge. The bolded parts of Proverbs say it all. The goal is not to take all hope away merely to ground you in reality.
Quote:We live in a Great Controversy between good and evil. The little children dying, people killing each other and all the evil things in this world is the work of the fallen angels, not God's. "God hates wickedness and the suffering" - Isaiah 55:8, but “The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.” (1 John 5:19). God has to let the Devil play it out his plan to serve as an example to the entire universe that only by God's Law of Love there is peace and harmony in the entire universe. Then when he returns to take us home "sin will never rise again" (Nahum 1:9).
The necessity of inventing the devil is a consequence of inventing god. But rather than blame the devil, wouldn't it be better to take responsibility for what we do directly? That is what happens when you believe in neither god nor the devil.
Quote:There is much to say about the misunderstanding of an eternal hell. It is against the character of God and it is not what the bible teaches. Many religions misinterpret this topic, but the bible is very clear that "the wicked will die. The Lord's enemies are like flowers in a field -- they will disappear like smoke." (Psalms 37:20).
There's a reason so many "misinterpret" the Bible in this way.
Mark 9:43-48 Wrote:And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire. And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame than with two feet to be thrown into hell. And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell. . .
Quote:It's amazing to me how long ago the bible already prophesied about this very topic. "People who aren't spiritual can't receiver these truths from God's Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can't understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means." (1Corinthians 2:14).
Sounds much like a charlatan about to demonstrate ESP, or their ability to talk to the dead to me. It's the mark of a con-man attempting to deflect the inevitable mistrust before it begins.
Quote:The bible is all we need to go on. Ready, study, investigate... ask for God's guidance. If the bible wasn't real it wouldn't have survived the test of time. "Truthful words stand the test of time, but lies are soon exposed." (Proverbs 12:19)
Especially if propped up by laws, wars, and suppressing everything that disagrees with it right? Even so much of the Bible has proved demonstrably false.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.