RE: I am God
July 12, 2014 at 8:54 pm
(This post was last modified: July 12, 2014 at 10:41 pm by Muslim Atheism.)
(July 12, 2014 at 9:05 am)vodkafan Wrote: I just don't understand any of your arguments.
and I don't understand people conclusion. .
I'm here arguing that there is no God and Allah from the start
while people here are arguing there is God and Allah from the start
are you sure they are an atheist ?
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(July 12, 2014 at 9:05 am)vodkafan Wrote: You are a human like everybody else .
You are not god.
Okay, maybe you still don't understand the issue and distinction between "Primary God"; the "cause" that creates Gods' ideologies . . .
and "Secondary God" (Allah, Jesus, Lord Krishna etc. . ); the "effect" . . .
which is irrelevant for consideration
simply because it is the "effect".
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(July 12, 2014 at 9:05 am)vodkafan Wrote: You have stated there is no god.
You have stated that there is no allah.
You have stated allah is not god.
Yes I did.
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(July 12, 2014 at 9:05 am)vodkafan Wrote: So what's the huge attraction to your book?
It's made up by men like every other holy book .
Man's true ability and logical argument. . . .
and I have simplified it for them, 4 words, 2 sentences and one argument. . .
Why not people here dispute it with valid logical premises rather than using fallacy and blank claims/denials.
(July 12, 2014 at 6:51 am)Brian37 Wrote: Being an expert in any holy book is like knowing every line in Harry Potter. Exactly what are you an expert in?Okay, another fallacy and excuse for making scholars and monks as God, and that's how religion begins.
Quote:They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah (9.31)
It doesn't work that way in Islam from the Quran . People use critical thinking and verifying the logical structure of every premises in the Quran. Below is the main premise for correct interpretation of the Quran:
Quote:Do they not reflect on the Qur'an? (ie. is referring to the interpretation)Any interpretations that are inconsistent with any verses of the Quran will be regarded as wrong interpretation. This is the main rule of interpretation of the Quran.
If it was from any other than God (wrong interpretation)
they would have found in it many a discrepancy. (one or more false premises)
4:82
Accordingly, anyone who understands the principle of logic and logical structure of any statements can verify, and those who make conclusion but cannot support it with valid logical premises will be considered as wrong interpretation.
Quote:Islam = Quran + Rules of Logic
There is no monks, priests or ulama in Islam. The Ulama (knowledgeable person) in the Quran are experts and scientists who study according to the signs from the Quran.
Quote:In fact amongst Allah’s Servants are those learned people (ulama) who truly appreciate the mechanism of the world, and whose hearts are filled with His Greatness; they observe how Exalted and Mighty He is, and how He saves everything from destruction and lets it develop and progress. Did you realise for whom the Quran has used the word “ulama”? For those to whom we refer to as SCIENTISTS today; those who continuously experiment, observe and study, and thus subjugate the forces of nature. It is a fact that Allah has granted us the capability to conquer and harness all the powers of nature for our benefit. But only those people can control them who are acquainted with the laws of nature – laws that govern these forces. These can only be known by the study of nature and by continuously experimenting and observing the laws that Allah has laid down for the control of nature. The people who do all this, the Quran calls them “ULAMA” – the SCIENTISTS. Who Are The Ulama?
(July 12, 2014 at 6:54 pm)logicalreason Wrote: It seems the highest level of religious understanding is that God doesn't exist, but atheists unassociated with a religion shortcut the religious experience step.
Agreed