Abortion/Consciousness/Life

[Esquilax]

A sperm never has an expectation of person-hood. A sperm ceases to exist at conception. A sperm is something that is consumed in the process of creating an organism which does have a future expectation of person-hood.

Why make the distinction? According to you, future personhood is what matters, and personhood at all isn't possible without a sperm. Frankly, that makes the sperm even more important than the fetus with respect to future personhood.

And your logic here also makes no sense anyway; you're just making assertions about stuff like this, but I've not seen you even attempt to argue for why this stuff is so, or why we or anyone else should care about what you think on this issue. To follow on from your argument, I could easily just argue that the genetic information within the sperm, which doesn't cease to exist, take the place of the word "sperm" in all my arguments thus far. It might move the subject one step closer in, but if you're willing to simply dismiss the idea of sperm because it "disappears" at conception... well, there are parts of it that by necessity must stick around. So let's just now say I was talking about those parts specifically, and we're back at exactly the same problem you had before.

Your comparison of a sperm to a fetus is silly because they are quite different things. One is complete organism...the other is gamete. This is high school biology....you should know this.

But you were arguing for future personhood, which doesn't necessarily entail that we exclusively apply it to the gamete. See, I'm asking you to argue for why you think this is so, and so far you've been unable to provide an argument that doesn't apply equally to the sperm, or even just the potential for conception that each fertile woman has. Your definitions apply to abstract concepts just as much as they do what you're talking about, that's how bad you've messed up here.

I recognize that a gamete is different from a sperm. That's not germane to the future personhood argument you're making.