RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
July 26, 2014 at 9:56 pm
(This post was last modified: July 26, 2014 at 10:03 pm by snowtracks.)
(July 24, 2014 at 3:57 pm)RobbyPants Wrote:beginnings only make sense were time is linear like the our cosmic time line that's unidirectional and unstoppable. according the big bang cosmology theory: time, space, energy, matter began 13 billion years ago. if God caused the universe, by necessitate then He has access to at least another time dim. or it's equivalent.(July 20, 2014 at 2:42 am)snowtracks Wrote: it's not a perception, the universe is physically 4 dim's where cause and effect is a scientific principle where no human has ever witness an effect without a cause.
I'm assuming you're taking this as some sort of proof for God. So, I'll ask the obvious question: "what is God's cause", and I'll assume you'll give an answer saying he has none because he is "timeless", "eternal", or something.
So, if you believe the universe was invoked by an entity that exists outside of space and time, this means by very definition, you believe in things that are not caused as we know them to be. How do you know the universe has a cause, then? You said it yourself: "no human has ever witness an effect without a cause". What human has witnessed the beginning of the universe?
The cosmological argument is nothing but speculation that appeals to people who already make those assumptions.
(July 16, 2014 at 12:17 pm)Stimbo Wrote:not changing, just adding to dialogue.(July 15, 2014 at 10:50 pm)snowtracks Wrote: fire is greater than burning.
the cause always precedes the effect; therefore the effect is dependent on the cause which makes the cause > effect.
Sheesh, Dolphinetics is so irritating! Your original argument was that the cause was greater than the effect. Now you're leaping to the rather lacklustre deepity about effects following causes, which wasn't the reason I posted my response and you know it. What's that bit about bearing false witness, again..?
if something has the power to 'cause' that makes it greater in all statistical quantitative categories, than an event. also, the 2'nd of law of thermodynamics kicks in during the cause and effect transaction, for instance, a combustion engine exhaust is hot, if it were 100% efficient, the exhaust would be zero temp but the heat (energy on the move) becomes disorganized which is entropy.
Atheist Credo: An universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.