Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.

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most of the cosmos's effects over the 13 billions haven't been observed by humans. now, angels that's might be different: God asked Job, “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation … and all the angels shouted for joy?
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"How do you know the universe has a cause, then?"
have accepted that there is duel revelation: book of nature, book of scripture which will always be in harmony with no possibility of contradiction - this is stated in the belgic confession:
Article 2: The Means by Which We Know God
•We know him by two means:
First, by the creation, preservation, and government of the universe, since that universe is before our eyes like a beautiful book in which all creatures, great and small, are as letters to make us ponder the invisible things of God: his eternal power and his divinity, as the apostle Paul says in Romans 1:20.
All these things are enough to convict men and to leave them without excuse.
Second, he makes himself known to us more openly by his holy and divine Word, as much as we need in this life, for his glory and for the salvation of his own.

however science in not the same as nature, and systematic theology is not the same as the words of scripture. like science , theology involves human interpretation which may be inaccurate. if there is discord between these two, there exist an incomplete understanding or faulty interpretation that will be resolve with a more complete knowledge. these are the two basic tools for the detectability of the divine.

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So, my take home from all that is two things:

1) You seem to be implying that the cosmological argument is not a good one, as you seem to have abandoned it (yet you haven't explicitly said this).

2) The new way you're now defending knowing God's existence is a combination of trusting one particular book of mythology over all the others combined with lots of presupposition.


Am I right? Are you abandoning the cosmological argument as a valid way to assert God's existence?

never have posted an argument to prove God's existence; although, do think that the cosmological argument is persuasive . what i post are the viewpoints of a Christian that holds to a duel 'book' revelation which includes an 'old age earth' viewpoint. not my purpose to convert or cajole new age earth believers, or atheists. after all, i completely endorse free will (the garden of eden was 'very good' (not perfect), and God made it even better by introducing free will. one purpose for God creating the universe involves the excercise of free will: certain ones will elect to be part of the new creation. this current 'old universe will be destroyed by fire ("The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire...All the stars in the sky will be dissolved and the heavens rolled up like a scroll"; the timing will be immediately after the 1000 year reign of Christ on the earth (rather amazing that after 13 billion year, we are in astronomical time at the very edge of it's extinction, it will have served it's purposes).

it's clear that when everyone who dies, they will have a clear understanding that God exist. if they currently say they don't, that's because of a willful effort on their part; oftentimes, they cloak that willfulness with a veneer of citing intellectual problems with the evidence. that being said: the determining factor in being part of the new creation is not a belief in God existence.

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We've been through this before:

book of biblical scripture says Joshua fought the battle of Jericho and the walls came tumbling down; book of nature says he did not.

book of biblical scripture says the Israelites migrated out of Egypt; book of nature says they did not.

book of biblical scripture says a global flood occurred; book of nature says it did not.

book of biblical scripture says that sin is transmitted by the flesh; book of nature shows no biological mechanism for the transmission of sin.

book of biblical scripture says we have an immaterial soul; book of nature says we have no such thing animating us, only biological brains.

have responded to the first 3.